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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:07 pm Post subject: Nikkor macro vs kilfitt macro lens....too many questions? |
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Layer-cake wrote:
I seem to be at a bit of cross roads here!! I have a kilfitt macro D 40mm 2.8 lens and a Nikkor 55mm 3.5 lens that i have but I'm not sure which I should keep!
I've been using the kilfitt to a while but too be honest I have not been impressed with the shots taken with it!! its not bad for macro work on my MFT system but again I'm not very impressed with any part of it, even if its the first true 1;1 macro lens made
I could sell the Nikkor for cheap or I could sell the kilfitt for the same price as the Nikkor plus an adapter for nikkor and that's my dilema as I have not used the nikkor but strongly feel it would be the superior lens out of the two!!
I know I posed the question as to why the Nikkor macros are so cheap but I have come to the precipice as to which I should sell and I am need as to which I should keep???
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Keep the Nikkor, it's one of the finest macro lenses available and also superb as an all-round lens.
The Kilfitt was one of the earliest macro lenses and isn't in the same class as later developments like the Nikkor. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
that is exactly what I was thinking out of the two, in a way I wanted to keep the kilfitt as it was a bench mark lens but again it has not inspired me with any of the shots I have taken with it so far!!
many thanks Ian, you confirmed my suspicions |
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bernhardas
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 1432
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
+1 for keeping the Nikkor and selling the Kilfitt
Make a collector happier! _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
(German language)
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Had one of each some time ago. They seemed OK to me, both gave similar results to my Pentax macro.
Kilfitt is an interesting collectors item. You should be able to get a much better price for it than the Nikkor, at least on the international market. I see eBay closing prices 4x the Nikkor, around US$150-300
If you can get the Kilfitt for much less you can maybe make a profit.
But for use the Nikkor is fine and has no collectors premium. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Try both and if Kilfitt good enough keep it, good investment and tool, Nikkor made in large amount, it will be always cheap lens even if good, Kilfitt will increase their price throw years. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 983 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
Don't you have a Macro Yashinon Tomioka 2,8/60
Don't you like it ?? _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton 1.2/50, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, 1.5/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : YASHICA YASHINON 1.8/5cm, FUJINON L 2/5cm, CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
DKL : VOIGTLÄNDER SKOPAREX 3,4/35, SEPTON 2/50, DYNAREX 3,4/90, SUPER-DYNAREX 4/135, Scheiner-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon 1,9/50
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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duckrider
Joined: 11 Dec 2013 Posts: 437 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:46 am Post subject: |
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duckrider wrote:
Keep them both & You won't have to regret having sold one! _________________ T*homas
(from the origin land of Zeiss, an obligation )
Zeiss ZF 3.5/18, 2.8/25, 2.0/35, 2/50macro, 1.4/50, 1.4/85, 2/100macro
Nikon Df, F2AS, F2A, F3/T, FM
ALPA 11Si, Angulon 2,8/35 ; Xenar 1,9/50 ; Tele-Tessar 4/200
Leica R3 SAFARI Safari Lenses 2.8/28 ; 2/50 ; 4/180
Rolleiflex SL 350 , Zeiss 2,8/16 ; 4/18 ; 2,8/25 ; 2,8/35 ; 1,4/35 ; 1,8/50 ; 2,8/85 ; 1,4/85 ; 4/135 ; 4/200
Leica M9-P, Leica M4-2, Tri-Elmar "Wate", Distagon 2,8/21, Biogon 2,8/28, Biogon 2/35, Planar 2/50, Tessar 4/85, M-Elmar 50mm, Summicron 90
Sony alpha 7r & adapters for all lenses above |
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
I put the yash up for sale, its a very very nice lens but I find it hard to justify keeping lenses of that value with my skill level....I actually didn't realise the kilfitts fetched that much on the open market!! so now I have the dilemma of should I even keep it too
I could maybe sell that and keep the yash instead!! much testing will need to be done I think!!
I was lucky and picked the kilfitt up about $15, condition is about B-B+ |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:12 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
A bit of luck there. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7581 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:12 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I will keep the Tomioka and sell the rest. _________________ The best lens is the one you have with you.
https://lensfever.com/
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:52 am Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
I'm leaning in this direction after looking up the kilfitts prices, when I got it I could swear they didn't go for more than $70.
I was lucky with the tomioka too, I've sold most of the equipment I got with the kit and already doubled what I spent.....maybe I shouldn't be looking a gift horse in the mouth. |
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:41 am Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
Look carefully at the state of the glass in the Kilfitt lens, even back in the 1970s they had the reputation of being prone to deterioration. If it's not looking good, then maybe you'd be better off moving it on to the collector market.
A good one, either f3.5 or f2.8 is worth keeping, though, especially if you bought it cheaply. Certainly not as clinically sharp as the Micro Nikkor, but a nicely different 'feel' to the image. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:50 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
If i were you i would keep the Kilar
Nikkors can be found everywhere.
I have this irrationality that i like the older lenses better. Even if they are not that good as the more modern ones there is something in the build quality and the special rendering which makes them more appealing to me.
I've almost sold mine a year ago - luckily the buyer didn't pay for it and now i still have it and don't regret keeping it. _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:52 am Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
When I first got it there was some fungus on the inner elements but it cleaned off just fine.....I think there was very minimal damage done to the coatings by it, literally almost none.
I saw another one the 3.5 at a friends place but the back end is designed slightly different as there is no protective tab on it and the back element was scratched very badly.
It's a well built lens but I will put the tomioka up against it and make a choice out of the two. |
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
std wrote: |
If i were you i would keep the Kilar
Nikkors can be found everywhere.
I have this irrationality that i like the older lenses better. Even if they are not that good as the more modern ones there is something in the build quality and the special rendering which makes them more appealing to me.
I've almost sold mine a year ago - luckily the buyer didn't pay for it and now i still have it and don't regret keeping it. |
Im so lost at this point.....I'll sell the Nikkor mainly because someone did buy it last night and I was thinking of rather refunding him but I saw he also bought some extension tubes from another seller so he is probably really looking forward to using it.
The Kilfitt and the Yash both have their good points, what i like about the yashica is the colour and 3D rendering compared to the kilfitt. it also has a crazy shallow DOF in comparison..... |
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
so I've put the two through some basic tests, I'm really liking the tomioka between the two.
I've decided to sell the kilfitt, after inspecting the kilfitt again it seems that there are quite a few cleaning marks on the elements....nothing too serious and the inner part of the front element around the edges did get affected by the original fungus again its nothing bad but I'm struggling to price it accordingly.
any suggestions would help? |
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Mir
Joined: 07 Feb 2011 Posts: 983 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mir wrote:
I can't help you with pricing the Kilfitt..
But i did have many tormenting thoughts about your Yashinon.... _________________ "Obsta principiis, finem respice"
"There is a fine line between hobby and mental illness"
MISC: Tamron SP 35-80 (01A), Auto Chinon Tomioka 1.4/55, Tokina AT-X 2.5/90, Tamron SP 5,6/300 (54B)
ZEISS: WG Distagon 2.8/25, WG Distagon 2.8/35 HFT, WG Planar HFT 1.4/50, Ultron 1.8/50, WG Sonnar 2.8/85, WG Sonnar HFT 2.8/135
VOIGTLÄNDER : Ultron Aspherical 1.8/21, Ultron 2/28, Nokton Aspherical 1.2/35, Nokton Classic 1.4/40, Nokton 1.2/50, Nokton Aspherical 1.5/50, Color-Heliar 2.5/75
MINOLTA: MD 3.5/35-70 Macro, MD 1.2/50, MC Rokkor-X 1.2/58, MD Macro 3.5/50
LEITZ: SUMMICRON-R 2/35 (II), SUMMICRON-R 2/50 (II), TELE ELMARIT-M 2,8/90 (Thin)
CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, 1.5/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : YASHICA YASHINON 1.8/5cm, FUJINON L 2/5cm, CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
DKL : VOIGTLÄNDER SKOPAREX 3,4/35, SEPTON 2/50, DYNAREX 3,4/90, SUPER-DYNAREX 4/135, Scheiner-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon 1,9/50
And a small Minolta AF set: 2.8/20, 1.4/35, 1.4/50, 2/100, 4.5/100-200
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NikonAIS
Joined: 23 Mar 2014 Posts: 227 Location: Pawleys Island, SC, US
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:25 am Post subject: |
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NikonAIS wrote:
bernhardas wrote: |
Nikkor 3.5 is my standard lens for digitizing slides. Great quality no distortions. I vote for it. |
The 55mm f/2.8 AIS Micro Nikkor added CRC so it's performance was even better than the f/3.5 at 1:1 _________________ Nikon FTn, F2A, F3HP, F4E, F5, Nikkormat FT2, Nikon FE-2, Nikonos V, D850, D500 and D750. 8mm f/2.8 AIS, 16mm f/2.8 Fisheye AIS, 15mm f/3.5 AIS, 18mm f/3.5 AIS, 24mm f/2 AIS, 28mm f/2 AIS, 28mm f/3.5 Nikkor H non-AI, 25-50mm f/4 AIS, 28mm f/3.5 and 35mm f/2.8 UW-Nikkors, 35mm f/1.4 AIS, 50mm f/1.4 AIS, 50mm f/1.4 Nikkor-S, 50-135mm f/3.5 AIS, 55mm f/2.8 AIS Micro w/ PK-13, 80-200mm f/4 AIS, 85mm f/1.4 AIS, 105mm f/1.8 AIS, 10.5 cm f/2.5 non-AI, 105mm f/2.8 AIS Micro, 135mm f/2 AIS, 180mm f/2.8 ED AIS, 200mm f/4 Micro AIS and PN-11, 200mm f/2 ED-IF AIS, 300mm f/2.8 ED-IF AIS, 400mm f/2.8 ED-IF AIS, 500mm f/8 Reflex, 600mm f/4 ED-IF AIS, TC14B and TC300.
Hasselblad 500CM with PM-90 eye level finder and assorted A12 and A16 backs, Carl Zeiss C and CF T* 40mm f/4. 60mm f/3.5. 80mm f/2.8, 150mm f/4 and 250mm f/5.6
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Layer-cake
Joined: 18 Mar 2013 Posts: 560 Location: Cape Town
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Layer-cake wrote:
Mir wrote: |
I can't help you with pricing the Kilfitt..
But i did have many tormenting thoughts about your Yashinon.... |
ah with my mother being down here:) it really is one of the best condition lenses I've come across, kinda happy no one has bought it still trying to justify keeping it!! |
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