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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 4:39 am Post subject: Tele-Xenar 3,5/135 Schneider-Kreuznach |
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mo wrote:
Once again a lovely lens, obtained by a trade with member Oldhand,Thanks so much!
F 8
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:12 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Wide Open
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Nice.
I have had a few of these of different eras. The ones I have opened all seem to have been five-element types.
They also tend to be very well made and beautifully finished.
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:10 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
This one is beautifully finished, and still has its hood. When I have some time I will be taking some photos of the lens and post them here.The focus grip is the smallest I have seen and sits very close to the aperture ring.
It also has a threaded hole like what you would have for a tripod mount , but it's smaller than any tripod mount hole that I have seen....I am not sure what it would be used for.
I traded a Listar 135/2.8 lens,that is a bit of an odd bod,a lens I forgot I had. I hope Oldhand posts some samples so you guys can try and guess the maker.
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Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Nice shots Mo. I have an old 1950s one of these for the Diax, modified to fit my NEX. It's a stunning lens, critically sharp even wide open at f4 and has very strong contrast. It's every bit the equal of my 1950s Zeiss Sonnar 4/135 for Contax.
IMHO Schneider lenses tend to be a bit underrated, I have quite a few of them, mostly for MF/LF but also for 35mm and all of them are the equal (or very close) to their Zeiss contemporaries I think.
Here's my Tele-Xenar next to a Jupier-11 copy of the Sonnar 4/135:
Here's a pair of samples, one from my Tele-Xenar 4/135 and one from my Zeiss Contax Sonnar 4/135, see if you can guess which is which, all are wide open at f4:
Lens A:
Lens B:
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uddhava
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:14 am Post subject: |
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uddhava wrote:
Nice photos! Happy to see the sunflower!
I have a Schneider Xenar 2.8/50 which I think is nice and looks
very nice too! I like those nice looking old lenses.
Thanks for the photo of the lens Ian. I can't tell from the photos
which lens is which, but I am not expert.  |
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mo
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:19 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Funny you say that Ian, about the similarities with the Sonnar. As I found the Xenar images are very much like my MC S 3,5/135 Sonnar images ,the color,the OOF and the sharpness......to close to call.
You have some great lenses by the way very nice!
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uddhava
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uddhava wrote:
| mo wrote: |
Funny you say that Ian, about the similarities with the Sonnar. As I found the Xenar images are very much like my MC S 3,5/135 Sonnar images ,the color,the OOF and the sharpness......to close to call.
You have some great lenses by the way very nice! |
Is the Xenar a copy of the Sonnar? |
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mo
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mo wrote:
That question is way above my knowledge of designs,hopefully someone can answer it for you. I am just comparing the images from each lens.
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Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| mo wrote: |
Funny you say that Ian, about the similarities with the Sonnar. As I found the Xenar images are very much like my MC S 3,5/135 Sonnar images ,the color,the OOF and the sharpness......to close to call.
You have some great lenses by the way very nice! |
Yes, the differences are very minute indeed, I have a Zebra Jena Sonnar 3.5/135 as well and it is again, very very similar.
Cheers, I am patient to pick these things up when they appear cheap due to poor listings on ebay, the Tele-Xenar was a 99p purchase because of the well worn condition (but perfect glass) and arcane Diax fitting for which there are no adapters. The Sonnar 4/135 was 41ukp, one of the most expensive lenses I've bought but I needed it for my Contax collection. You can buy a Jupiter-11 copy that performs almost the same for much less, a few clicks in PP and it is virtually impossible to tell a J11 apart from the 'pukka' Sonnar.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| uddhava wrote: |
| mo wrote: |
Funny you say that Ian, about the similarities with the Sonnar. As I found the Xenar images are very much like my MC S 3,5/135 Sonnar images ,the color,the OOF and the sharpness......to close to call.
You have some great lenses by the way very nice! |
Is the Xenar a copy of the Sonnar? |
You would think, with the name Tele-Xenar it would be close to the Tele-Tessar, but according to this diagram I found for the 3.5/135 Tele-Xenar, it is quite close to a Sonnar:
Sonnar 4/135:
However, the later Tele-Xenar 3.5/135 is quite different, 5 elements in a different layout:
So I think the earlier Tele-Xenars are close to the Sonnar in layout but later ones aren't.
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mo
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mo wrote:
Here is the lens in question
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CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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calvin83 wrote:
Mo. You lens is the later 5 elements version.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Very nice lens in very nice shape! Congrats.
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luisalegria wrote:
A later one than any I have had. This is a fully automatic M42 lens and I have only had Exakta mounts, presets and semi-auto types.
The threaded socket is possibly for a cable release, to stop the lens down.
I had another with this feature.
I believe it was in case it was to be used on older Edixa or Contax bodies with no mechanism to press the auto pin. One would use a double ended cable release to release the shutter and stop down the lens.
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uddhava wrote:
Beautiful lens! |
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JohnBar wrote:
Nice shots and lens, Mo
Be careful Schneideritis is very contagious and almost incurable
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mo wrote:
Luis it has an A/M switch just next to the little "cable release" hole. Thanks for all the comments, it is a lovely lens in above average condition,I am grateful to Oldhand for such a good trade.
Johnbar,its already to late for me, any good looking German,Russian lens is always going to attract me. 
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Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
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Mir wrote:
@mo
Your very lucky... i had to buy a couple of copies after Oldhand told me he would "never sell it" !
@iangreenhalgh1
Thank you for the diagrams
@calvin83
Thanks for specifying which ones are my copies
I didn't get a chance to shoot much with eather of them... but i saw that these Xenars are sharp !
Both copy will be back from repair/CLA soon !
Oh... and i will keep only one 
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CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
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DKL : VOIGTLÄNDER SKOPAREX 3,4/35, SEPTON 2/50, DYNAREX 3,4/90, SUPER-DYNAREX 4/135, Scheiner-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon 1,9/50
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Oldhand wrote:
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@mo
Your very lucky... i had to buy a couple of copies after Oldhand told me he would "never sell it" !
@iangreenhalgh1
Thank you for the diagrams
@calvin83
Thanks for specifying which ones are my copies
I didn't get a chance to shoot much with eather of them... but i saw that these Xenars are sharp !
Both copy will be back from repair/CLA soon !
Oh... and i will keep only one |
Yes, I did say that......... bad memory I'm afraid - my apologies.
Be happy, you now have two to choose from.
....... and - oh - I didn't sell it.
Cheers
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Mir wrote:
No apologies needed, fact is, you did not sell it !
And I'll only be happy when the postman rings...
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CANON RF: 2.8/28, 2/35, 1.2/50, 1.4/50, Serenar 1.8/50, 2/85, 2/100, 3.5/100
LTM : FUJINON L 2/5cm, CHIYODA KOGAKU SUPER ROKKOR 1.8/5cm, CHIYOKO SUPER ROKKOR C 2/5cm, TOKYO KOGAKU Topcor-S 2/5cm, Nippon Kogaku NIKKOR-H.C 2/5cm, KMZ Jupiter-8 2/5cm
DKL : VOIGTLÄNDER SKOPAREX 3,4/35, SEPTON 2/50, DYNAREX 3,4/90, SUPER-DYNAREX 4/135, Scheiner-Kreuznach Retina-Xenon 1,9/50
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