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connloyalist
Joined: 22 Jul 2020 Posts: 345 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:54 pm Post subject: Opinions on the Canon FDn 300mm 4.0 "non-L"? |
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connloyalist wrote:
When googling "review Canon FD 300mm 4.0" pretty much everything discusses the L version. The only thing I can find is the mir.com.my overview of all the FD 300mm lenses (https://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/fdlenses/300mm.htm)
Any opinions on the standard, "non-L" F4.0 version? It is quite a bit cheaper and also somewhat easier to find.
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I owned the new FD 300mm f/4 for several years and used it a lot. It was not without its problems, but once I understood what they were, I was able to modify the way I used it, to excellent results.
The big problem with the plain 300mm f/4 is chromatic aberrations. In situations where there is bright sun and hard lines, CAs abounded. The hard lines in the frame had lots of magenta and green fringing. So I learned not to use it in these sorts of environments. Now, this was when I was shooting slides, so nowadays, with some good post processing software, the CAs can be reined in. In fact, in the photo below, some green and magenta fringing is still evident.
I found sharpness and contrast to be excellent, even when shooting with the lens wide open.
Canon F-1, Canon nFD 300mm f/4, Kodachrome 64
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4039 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Opinions on the Canon FDn 300mm 4.0 "non-L"? |
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stevemark wrote:
connloyalist wrote: |
Any opinions on the standard, "non-L" F4.0 version? It is quite a bit cheaper and also somewhat easier to find.
Regards, C. |
Do you have a 300mm lens already? It may be easier to compare the (n)FD 4/300mm to something you know ... If happen to have your "reference" lens I'll make a few comparing images (I do have the nFD 4/300mm)!
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connloyalist
Joined: 22 Jul 2020 Posts: 345 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:20 am Post subject: |
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connloyalist wrote:
Sorry for not responding sooner.
@cooltouch: that is a beautiful picture!
I didn't really plan on becoming a lens collector, it just kind of "happened" Actually I consider myself more of a lens explorer: it is not my goal to collect every specimen of a particular series. I tend to buy lenses that are either useful to me (I use manual focus lenses almost exclusively), or that pique my curiosity. I rarely exceed 200 euros when buying a lens; in other words I don't own anything really valuable in that regard.
I currently own three 300mm lenses:
- Canon nFD 300mm 5.6
- Tokina preset 300mm 5.5 in EXA mount
- Tokina tele-auto 300mm 5.5 in M42 mount
The older Tokina preset is in my opinion better that the (slightly) later tele-auto version. The preset is longer (physical length of the lens), but weighs about 100 grams less than the tele-auto and my example is also optically better that the tele-auto I own. The Canon nFD 300mm 5.6 is smaller and lighter than both of them but optically the Tokina 300mm preset gives it a run for its money.
I was considering picking up a 300mm that is a bit faster even though for me this takes the weight into tripod-only territory. Another candidate besides the Canon is the Olympus OM 300mm 4.5. Price wise, looking at what 300mm 4.x "non-L" lenses go for I suspect I would end up somewhere between 200 and 300 euros.
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4039 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:30 am Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
connloyalist wrote: |
I tend to buy lenses that are either useful to me (I use manual focus lenses almost exclusively), or that pique my curiosity. I rarely exceed 200 euros when buying a lens; in other words I don't own anything really valuable in that regard. |
Completely agree ... whenever I spend > 300 CHF it has to be useful
connloyalist wrote: |
I currently own three 300mm lenses:
- Canon nFD 300mm 5.6
- Tokina preset 300mm 5.5 in EXA mount
- Tokina tele-auto 300mm 5.5 in M42 mount
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Very good. I have the nFD 5.6/300mm as well, along with the nFD 4/300mm "non-L" and the FD 2.8/300mm Fluorite. I'll compare them this evening side-by-side.
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I forgot to mention in my earlier post -- there's a zoom that reaches 300mm that is well worth considering.
The Tokina AT-X SD 100-300mm f/4. This is a very sharp optic and is the sharpest zoom I own that reaches out to 300mm (I own four, including a Canon and a Nikkor ED).
The AT-X SD 100-300 can often be found for well under your $200 price ceiling. Well worth considering. _________________ Michael
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4039 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
I've just been comparing a dozen or so 300mm lenses, mainly f4 and f4.5:
As you can see there are a few pretty nice ones, such as the Canon FD 2.8/300mm Fluorite, the Nikkor Ai 4.5/300mm "non-IF", and the Pentax M* 4/300mm as wll as the later F* 4.5/300mm IF-ED, and the Mamyia CS 4/300mm.
Sadly the weather conditions were not favourable; too much haze and slightly changing light. I therefore do not publish the results; I rather will wait until the weather conditions are acceptable.
However, I can say that my nFD 4/300mm IF performs sligtly inferior to my nFD 5.6/300mm, and that my FD 2.8/300mm Fluorite performs a bit better than the nFD 5.6/300mm IF. That said, lenses such as the Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/300mm ULD or the ED Nikkor Ai 4.5/300mm "non-IF" are visibly better than the Canon FD 2.8/300mm Fluorite.
I'll publish images as soon as the weather becomes stable again.
S
EDIT - from left to right:
Canon nFD 5.6/300mm
Canon nFD 4/300mm
Canon FD 2.8/300mm Fluorite
Mamiya Sekor C 5.6/300mm ULD
Nikon Nikkor AiS 4.5/300mm IF-ED
Minolta Rokkor MD-II 4.5/300mm IF
Konica Hexanon AR 4.5/300mm
Olympus Zuiko OM 4.5/300mm
Mamiya Sekor CS 4/300mm
Pentax M* 4/300mm
Pentax F* 4.5/300mm IF-ED
Nikon Nikkor AiS 4.5/300mm ED _________________ www.artaphot.ch
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marcusBMG
Joined: 07 Dec 2012 Posts: 1318 Location: Conwy N Wales
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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marcusBMG wrote:
A very fine collection there Steve, look forward to seeing your results. _________________ pentax ME super (retired)
Pentax K3-ii; pentax K-S2; Samsung NX 20; Lumix G1 + adapters;
Adaptall collection (proliferating!) inc 200-500mm 31A, 300mm f2.8, 400mm f4.
Primes: takumar 55mm; smc 28mm, 50mm; kino/komine 28mm f2's, helios 58mm, Tamron Nestar 400mm, novoflex 400mm, Vivitar 135mm close focus, 105mm macro; Jupiter 11A; CZJ 135mm.
A classic zoom or two: VS1 (komine), Kiron Zoomlock... |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4039 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
marcusBMG wrote: |
A very fine collection there Steve, look forward to seeing your results. |
Yep, me too. It may take a few days until conditions are right - 300mm focal length and 24MP FF is just where things start to get troublesome (air movements, haze, tripod & mounts - some of the lenses don't have their own tripod mount).
I might include one ot two other lenses such as the Canon FL 5.6/300mm Fluorite, an old "prehistoric" Minolta Rokkor QD 4.5/300, the early postwar Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/300mm, and the Rokkor 5.6/250mm mirror lens. And an early Hasselblad Zeiss Sonnar 5.6/250mm ... and a Yashica ML 5.6/300 ... and there's also some Soligor / Vivitar / Admiral stuff around. Ouch. I'll try to make a meaningfurl selection.
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