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ForenSeil
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 Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:35 pm Post subject: Next stept after Samyang 85/1.4 ? |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Hi!
I really like the Samyang. It's sharp, it's cheap, it has smooth bokeh and it's fast.
I use it for potraits when I need thin DOF.
But it's also very heavy, has problems lightsource behind object and it has some CAs under harsh conditions.
What would be the next-best lens between 85-90mm and ~F2?
Is there something lighter and smaller which is optically better?
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My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Sonnar 2.8/85 is certainly smaller and I keep reading that it's every bit as good as the faster version, just slower. It's available pretty cheap sometimes, look for it in Rollei mount to find the cheap ones.
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Bille
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Next stept after Samyang 85/1.4 ? |
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Bille wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
What would be the next-best lens between 85-90mm and ~F2?
Is there something lighter and smaller which is optically better? |
Summicron-M 90/2 |
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
As Ian says, the Sonnar 85/2.8 has very good coating and better contrast than the Samyang. I sold my Samyang for the Planar 85/1.4, but that's a bit heavier. Incredible lens though, just stunning.
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Attila
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| Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| Sonnar 2.8/85 is certainly smaller and I keep reading that it's every bit as good as the faster version, just slower. It's available pretty cheap sometimes, look for it in Rollei mount to find the cheap ones. |
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Make compromise, look f2.8 like TEvidon 70mm f2.8 , Angenieux 75mm , etc cine lenses, they are super small and works well on your NEX.
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Victor Nguyen
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| Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| As Ian says, the Sonnar 85/2.8 has very good coating and better contrast than the Samyang. I sold my Samyang for the Planar 85/1.4, but that's a bit heavier. Incredible lens though, just stunning. |
I thought there has been comparison that showed the Samyang and Zeiss 85 1.4 to be nearly the same?
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:11 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
I had an (elderly) Summicron-M 90/2 and it was imo inferior to the Samyang 85/1.4 (except in build and CA-control maybe)
But more modern models are optically improved as far as I know - I will have a look for them.
90/2.8 Elmarit lenses are also good but I'm not sure about their color rendition.
Apo-Summicron-M 90/2 should be optically the top #1 in this league but it's also very expensive.
| Victor Nguyen wrote: |
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| As Ian says, the Sonnar 85/2.8 has very good coating and better contrast than the Samyang. I sold my Samyang for the Planar 85/1.4, but that's a bit heavier. Incredible lens though, just stunning. |
I thought there has been comparison that showed the Samyang and Zeiss 85 1.4 to be nearly the same? |
Nearly but not completly. Planar is still a little based on what I've seen.
Hmm I think I will keep the Samyang until I get the opportunity to buy an Apo-Summicron or Planar for a very good price.
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My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had ELmarit 90mm f2.8 second version , Contax is sharper and give more contrast a lot, I rate Leica to Kaleinar 100 level. Worth to try Contax Sonnar you can sell it any time if you wish better one.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Another one to consider is the Rolleinar 2.8/85, it's a rebadged Mamiya in QBM mount, I've never tried one but reports say it is as good as the Sonnar 2.8/85, albeit with a different character.
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scsambrook wrote:
If only for mirrorless (NEX) then I think the 90mm Voigtlander Apo-Lanthar Leica L39 screw rangefinder version is maybe the unbeatable combination of small size, light weight and high image quality. I have one and am constantly impressed by its quality. Even used on extension bellows it's a wonderful performer.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
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| If only for mirrorless (NEX) then I think the 90mm Voigtlander Apo-Lanthar Leica L39 screw rangefinder version is maybe the unbeatable combination of small size, light weight and high image quality. I have one and am constantly impressed by its quality. Even used on extension bellows it's a wonderful performer. |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:54 pm Post subject: Re: Next stept after Samyang 85/1.4 ? |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
| ForenSeil wrote: |
Hi!
What would be the next-best lens between 85-90mm and ~F2?
Is there something lighter and smaller which is optically better? |
An 85/2 lens would be less than half the size/weight of the Samyang. It's a big difference between an 85/1.4 and an 85/2. So pretty much any good 85/2 will give you the reduction in size. I am very happy with my Jupiter 9 85/2 in LTM. |
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soikka
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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soikka wrote:
I have Pentax S-M-C takumar 85/1.8 and Tamron 90/2.5 for similar shots and can recommend both.
Tamron can also be used as a 1:2 macro lens.
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ForenSeil
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Next stept after Samyang 85/1.4 ? |
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ForenSeil wrote:
| Laurentiu Cristofor wrote: |
| ForenSeil wrote: |
Hi!
What would be the next-best lens between 85-90mm and ~F2?
Is there something lighter and smaller which is optically better? |
An 85/2 lens would be less than half the size/weight of the Samyang. It's a big difference between an 85/1.4 and an 85/2. So pretty much any good 85/2 will give you the reduction in size. I am very happy with my Jupiter 9 85/2 in LTM. |
Weight does not only depend on speed - optical design and build is also important. I had Summicron-M 90/2 (a tank) and it was if I remember correctly more heavy and longer than the Samyang.
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My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
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fermy
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| Posted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Optically the best 90mm that I've ever had is Contax-G Sonnar. It's also small and light, so if it weren't Contax-G with inevitable haptics compromise, that would've been a slam dunk. As it is, I prefer C-Elmar to the Sonnar as a small choice and Sigma 90mm f2.8 macro as an all-around choice. I don't think that optical advantage of Sonnar is that big to sweat over it.
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Laurentiu Cristofor
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| Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Next stept after Samyang 85/1.4 ? |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
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Weight does not only depend on speed - optical design and build is also important. I had Summicron-M 90/2 (a tank) and it was if I remember correctly more heavy and longer than the Samyang. |
Well, yes, you can always make a lens larger and heavier. My point was that by reducing the maximum aperture from f/2 to f/1.4 you can achieve a dramatic decrease in size and weight.
You also make me wonder how large and heavy a Leica 85/1.4 would be. |
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Jester
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jester wrote:
Yes, if 1.4 not so important, vote for Sonnar 2.8/85/ Love this lens. |
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barryreid
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barryreid wrote:
I haven't used one for years but I did like the Canon FD 85/1.8. Compared to the Samyang it is smaller and lighter, I thought it pretty good and being FD mount it's not too pricey.
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vlousada
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| Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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vlousada wrote:
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| I haven't used one for years but I did like the Canon FD 85/1.8. Compared to the Samyang it is smaller and lighter, I thought it pretty good and being FD mount it's not too pricey. |
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ckrook
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ckrook wrote:
I've got the Nikkor 85/2 ais and its pretty small
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