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Brian J Moody
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 Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:05 pm Post subject: Kiron 80-200 f4.5 macro |
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Hey everyone. I've just bought and received this lens, Kiron 80-200 f4.5 macro, and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with one?
I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions!
Thanks,
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Brian J Moody
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: ??? |
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Anyone??
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casualcollector
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No experience with the f-4.5 but I had the earlier 80-200 f-4 and found that it produced some excellent image quality. There are some physical differences but I've often wondered if the 4.5 was just a more realistic and less expensive incarnation of the same lens after Kiron introduce some newer tele zooms.
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Brian J Moody
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Thanks for replying. I look forward to testing it out. Am I right in saying that the f4 had zoom lock? My f4.5 doesn't.
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Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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casualcollector
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casualcollector wrote:
Kiron made a series of changes as the 80s progressed. The original 80-200/4 did not have zoom lock or focus stop. My recollection is that there was a version of the 4.5 that had zoom lock but 30 years later my recollection is becoming suspect!
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
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| No experience with the f-4.5 but I had the earlier 80-200 f-4 and found that it produced some excellent image quality. There are some physical differences but I've often wondered if the 4.5 was just a more realistic and less expensive incarnation of the same lens after Kiron introduce some newer tele zooms. |
Well I second the Kiron 80-200 f4 non zoom lock...it's my favourite zoom and have done many tests even comparing with a CZJ 135mm Sonnar and on a computer screen you can't see the difference when the zoom is stopped down. I have the Kiron 70-210 f4.5 zoomlock but it's like other good zooms and doesn't stand out and is heavy.
Sorry Brian for wandering but I don't have your version.
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Brian J Moody
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| Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Thanks all for the info. I guess I'll just have to wait and see what it produces when the adapter turns up. Hopefully in the week and then I can shoot some test shots and let you guys be the judges.
Brian.
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Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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philslizzy
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philslizzy wrote:
Its started...
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Brian J Moody
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Brian J Moody wrote:
What's started Phil? My love affair with mf lenses?
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Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:36 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
| Brian J Moody wrote: |
| What's started Phil? My love affair with mf lenses? |
...... hahahaha - it's an affliction that some say can be cured, but I have my doubts.
Philslizzy is right - after a while you will need re-hab but won't want it ........ 
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Brian J Moody
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Rehab? I'm no quitter! This addiction's here to stay!
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Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
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| Rehab? I'm no quitter! This addiction's here to stay! |
.......... told ya so ..............
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Brian J Moody
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Hahaha. I'm constantly finding myself trawling eBay for new lenses! Any suggestions for a good but not too expensive 50mm prime that'd be good for macro work? Fd fitting preferred unless you know of something that'll work well with my panny dmc g3?
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Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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Oldhand
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
| Brian J Moody wrote: |
| Hahaha. I'm constantly finding myself trawling eBay for new lenses! Any suggestions for a good but not too expensive 50mm prime that'd be good for macro work? Fd fitting preferred unless you know of something that'll work well with my panny dmc g3? |
I just gave my FD 50mm f3.5 macro to my son.
It is a wonderful lens and worth pursuing if you have the patience. Would likely fit your dmc g3 with adapter - not sure though.
On the Nikon D7100, you might like to try one that I am using at the moment on my D7000.
It is the Pentax 6X7 135mm f4 Macro with adapter. This gives a longer working distance to the subject.
I picked mine up for US$120 and am very very pleased with it.
Cheers
OH
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Brian J Moody
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| Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Thanks OH. Shame you gave the lens away, I'd of taken it off your hands. I'll keep trawling the bay and see what comes up.
Brian.
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Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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Brian J Moody
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Thanks OH. Shame you gave the lens away, I'd of taken it off your hands. I'll keep trawling the bay and see what comes up.
Brian.
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A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into. Ansel Adams.
Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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Oldhand
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Oldhand wrote:
| Brian J Moody wrote: |
Thanks OH. Shame you gave the lens away, I'd of taken it off your hands. I'll keep trawling the bay and see what comes up.
Brian. |
Thanks Brian. My son is a budding but excellent photographer.
We compete against each other at Camera Club and he often shows me up.
It has gone to a good home.
They do come up from time to time on Ebay - if you are patient you will snag one
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pdccameras
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pdccameras wrote:
Welcome to the forum!
I had the Kiron 80-200 f/4.5 w/o zoom lock back in film days. I remember that I was not happy with its wide open performance - especially at 200mm, but by f/8 the lens was quite sharp.
Relative to 50mm macros, I have always liked the 55mm micro-nikkor. I have only owned the f/2.8 AI version, but the older f/3.5 "P" version is nice as well. Just remember that you can't get to 1:1 without extension tubes or bellows. Both the f/2.8 and f/3.5 lenses are also great (but slow) all around normal lenses to boot! You should be able to get a good one for around $60US depending on version and condition.
Nikon adapters to M 4/3 for your Panasonic are readily available.
Another way to go for quality macro is to pick up both a decent 135mm and a 35mm lens. Mount the 135 to your M 4/3 camera and then mount the 35 reversed (filter thread to filter thread) to the front of the 135mm. Good 35's and 135's are easy to find for reasonable prices, like $20USD.
Hope this helps,
Paul
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Brian J Moody
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Brian J Moody wrote:
Thanks Paul! But do you not think that the f4.5 would give better results being on a modern camera with the new processors and what not?
Cheers,
Brian.
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A photograph is usually looked at - seldom looked into. Ansel Adams.
Cameras:
Panasonic Lumix dmc-g3
Canon EOS 500 film camera
Lenses so far:
vivitar komine 28mm f2.8
Minolta 50mm f1.7
Vivitar 135mm f3.5
Kiron 80-200mm f4.5 macro |
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barryreid
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barryreid wrote:
I once bought the 80-200 f/4.5 Kiron, never used it as it was full of fungus. (Ditto incidentally a Yashica 80-200 - don't seem to have much luck with that range...). Still looking out for a Canon 80-200L tho' |
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pdccameras
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pdccameras wrote:
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Thanks Paul! But do you not think that the f4.5 would give better results being on a modern camera with the new processors and what not?
Cheers,
Brian. |
hi Brian,
I have found that the Nikkor is sharper than the Kiron (it is a lens whose sharpness others are judged against!) and certainly will get you closer for macro work. The macro on the Kiron is more like close focus than true macro. Also, the Nikkor is designed to have a flatter field and is optimized to work at the small apertures you will need for acceptable depth of field at macro distances.
Relative to comparing the Nikkor to the newest macro optics from Canon, Nikon, Zeiss, Leitz, etc. you will definitely see the newest technology glass outstrip the Nikkor, but this is not the case for a 1970s - 80s vintage macro zoom like the Kiron.
All the best,
Paul
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