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 Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: Helios 44-2 and 44-3, Any difference? |
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Oldhand wrote:
OK CZJ Biotar fans, is there any difference between the two models of the Helios listed - the 44-2 and the 44-3.
I know that there is a 44-6 which is MC but are there 44-4 and 44-5 models?
I guess it boils down to which is the best Helios 44.
Your thoughts, as always are appreciated.
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flaviomaia wrote:
Optically the are basically the same with different bodies.
The biggest difference is the coatings. I think the multicoated ones have better color reproduction.
I found my helios 44-3 more neutral than the 44, 44M and 44-2 which have a slightly warmish/greenish tone.
But the helios 44-3 can be tricky to adapt because some of them have a deeper mount compared with focusing ring as shown in this image:
Check this topic for more information:
http://forum.mflenses.com/complete-list-of-helios-lenses-getting-closer-t26100.html
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bruzzo wrote:
I have always been confused about the different variations of the Helios 44. Which one has the most swirl out of them I wonder?
I have the 44M only, whats the difference between the 44M and the classic 44-2? |
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drjs wrote:
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I have always been confused about the different variations of the Helios 44. Which one has the most swirl out of them I wonder?
I have the 44M only, whats the difference between the 44M and the classic 44-2? |
I believe the 44M is multicoated while 44-2 is single coated.
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asterinex wrote:
I thought the 3 is MC and has the number of aperture blades of one and two.
Please look it up, but I think nr 3 should be the best on paper. |
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Oldhand wrote:
Thanks everyone - and to flaviomaia for the link.
Some reading ahead
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Lloydy wrote:
The helios with the recess on the back, like the pictures above, has problems when mounted on some cameras and adapters - I know it's a problem on Pentax and people machine the back of the focus ring down.
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flaviomaia wrote:
| drjs wrote: |
| bruzzo wrote: |
I have always been confused about the different variations of the Helios 44. Which one has the most swirl out of them I wonder?
I have the 44M only, whats the difference between the 44M and the classic 44-2? |
I believe the 44M is multicoated while 44-2 is single coated. |
Actually the difference between 44M and 44-2 is that 44M has a newer body with a switch for Automatic diaphragm or Manual, and the 44-2 has an older body style with a preset aperture mechanism.
Both have 8 blade diaphragm and both can be single coated, since the MC version of the 44m is quite rare and the 44-2 is single coated only.
I have both (made by KMZ) and they perform very similar, with the 44M being more prone to flare because of the less recessed front element.
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flaviomaia wrote:
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Thanks everyone - and to flaviomaia for the link.
Some reading ahead
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Which version you chose, I believe you'll get a good lens. I have 4 versions of the helios 44 and I like them all, but have in mind they are old designs. The corners only become sharp at F4 and onwards, whereas the center is good wide open! 
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Oldhand wrote:
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| Oldhand wrote: |
Thanks everyone - and to flaviomaia for the link.
Some reading ahead
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Which version you chose, I believe you'll get a good lens. I have 4 versions of the helios 44 and I like them all, but have in mind they are old designs. The corners only become sharp at F4 and onwards, whereas the center is good wide open! |
Thanks for your input Flavio.
Would use on an APS-C camera miss most of the edge problems anyway.
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