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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: Hanimex 135mm f3.5 tele-auto silver band |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I've seen these flying about on ebay for a while, so was intruiged to find out who made it and what sort of lens it is.
Well...before I bought it I had no idea it was a tele-auto. Anyway, it's obviously an automatic aperture lens in M42 mount. It looked familiar. In fact I believe it is the same lens as the tele-auto Soligor 135/3.5. Specs are the same, and dispite looking very different from the Soligor lens, it's clearly the same, Tokina made lens.
Soligor on the left, Hanimex on the right:
From the front:
From the rear:
I've only conducted very brief indoors testing, but the Hanimex looks very sharp, even wide open. The Soligor has a little less contrast and a bit more purple fringing. The Hanimex looks to have a stronger front coating.
Hanimex @ f3.5
Soligor @ f3.5
Hanimex 100% crop
Soligor 100% crop
Hanimex @ f5.6
Soligor @ f5.6
Hanimex 100% crop
Soligor 100% crop
Not a ground breaking test, but interesting how two lenses, seemingly the same, can perform a bit different due to coating changes etc. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
......interesting how two lenses, seemingly the same, can perform a bit different due to coating changes etc. |
Graham,
I think there must be some difference in the optical formula, even if it is slight, for the chromatic aberrations to be different. Better coatings (or coatings on more elements) will account for the improved contrast, but they have zero impact on CA.
Bog standard 135mm lenses probably all have a pretty similar optical formula anyway, which accounts for the similarity in performance. Is not often said in this forum that there is no such thing as a bad 135mm lens?
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Hi Mark
I suspect you are right about the coating with regards purple fringing, although it will make a difference to contrast. The lenses have exactly the same minimum focusing distance, same mount, aperture blades etc. so I wonder what else could cause the CA? I guess it *could* be a slightly different optical formula, but why would Tokina change it for one brand? Seems odd. Maybe I used a slightly different focus point perhaps? Dust in the lens? Very slightly mis-aligned element? I'd be interested to know
As for the common myth about there being no bad 135mm lenses...hmm...I've owned a terrible Photax Paragon 135/2.8 and an almost as dreadful Carenar 135/2.8 The Photax was so soft it was actually useful as an effects portrait lens _________________ Graham - Moderator
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walter g
Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2463 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
Graham, Thank You. I've seen that style Hanimex on the Bay and was wondering how they perform. _________________
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Fujinonuser
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 128 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Fujinonuser wrote:
I own the Hanimex 3.5 / 135mm lens myself (SN H675814) and I can confirm that it is sharp with high contrast and very good definition of primary colors. Try to shoot a light bulb with it -- you will not notice much flare. What is it, then, that accounts for the difference to the Soligor lens? I presume both lenses originate from different lines of production and production philosophy. The Hanimex was manufactured in 1966-1967 as can be deduced from the SN. It was also sold as an accessory lens to the Chinon cameras built from 1966 on and sold as Hanimex cameras. Tokina lenses of that period were similar with early Nikon and Canon lenses (see another thread where the 3.8 / 21mm Hanimex is compared to the Nikon lens). The Soligor lens barrel shares characteristics with lenses built around 1973-1974. I have tried Hanimex lenses from that period which share the same optical characteristics. Differences in the glass formula or just less time to allow the glass to cool off? We'll never know. There were 135mm lenses from around 1974 with a very similar barrel though shorter, namely the Fujinon 3.5 / 135mm lens, that is extremely sharp already at 3.5 and may outperform the 1966 Hanimex. |
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7788 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
As for the common myth about there being no bad 135mm lenses...hmm...I've owned a terrible Photax Paragon 135/2.8 and an almost as dreadful Carenar 135/2.8 The Photax was so soft it was actually useful as an effects portrait lens |
But my Photax Paragon 135 is way sharper than my Soligor, both lenses are the same as yours I think. My Paragon is one of my favourite lenses.
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Have you got a photo of the Paragon? _________________ Graham - Moderator
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
I have an auto Miranda which looks very similar to the Soligor on the left, but without the ninja blades. It is a 135/3.5 but only has 6 blades. |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Of course, it could be down to individual samples.
Anyway, great results from the Hanimex wide open and I do like the subject choice. But try and get at least an Apotar lens instead of the Agnar. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I have a different version of the Soligor T4 that is much more similar to your Hanimex -
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-tokina-135-3-5-t4-the-last-of-a-kind-t10182,highlight,%2Bsoligor+%2B135.html
No question its a Tokina.
There is more than one version of some of the Soligor T4's. There are three of the 200/3.5 for instance, and that one certainly used different optical layouts.
Your Soligor is not a T4, are you identifying it as a Tokina based on the serial number ? _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Lloydy
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
Auto Super Paragon 135 2.8 (55mm dia filter ring and M42 mount ) Probably a Cimko lens, from what little information can be found. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Interesting...mine is a fixed mount model. Presuming it's a Tokina based on the serial number. I have a 200/3.5 purchased at the same time by my Grandfather in the early 70s which also has a fixed mount, similar serial and also assumed to be a Tokina. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
Auto Super Paragon 135 2.8 (55mm dia filter ring and M42 mount ) Probably a Cimko lens, from what little information can be found. |
Mine is very different to yours, and much crappier by the sounds of it!
_________________ Graham - Moderator
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I'm quite certain that your Hanimex is a Tokina, but I'm not so sure about your Soligor. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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Kathmandu
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Kathmandu wrote:
Graham,
Your Hanimex and my Vemar look identical-I have seen Soligors and Lentars in the same flavor.
Heres mine:
And sample image
I don't know who makes them-they are not bad at all.
Cheers _________________ kathmandu
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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:47 am Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I guess it *could* be a slightly different optical formula, but why would Tokina change it for one brand? |
I've seen Soligors identical to your Hanimex. It's not a change for one customer, it's two Tokinas from two eras, the Soligor being newer than the Hanimex.
As for the C.A. it may be a different optical configuration or just normal production variation.
Bill _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
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Pancolart
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Hanimex 135mm f3.5 tele-auto silver band |
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Pancolart wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I've seen these flying about on ebay for a while, so was intruiged to find out who made it and what sort of lens it is.
Well...before I bought it I had no idea it was a tele-auto. Anyway, it's obviously an automatic aperture lens in M42 mount. It looked familiar. In fact I believe it is the same lens as the tele-auto Soligor 135/3.5. Specs are the same, and dispite looking very different from the Soligor lens, it's clearly the same, Tokina made lens.
Soligor on the left, Hanimex on the right:
From the front:
I've only conducted very brief indoors testing, but the Hanimex looks very sharp, even wide open. The Soligor has a little less contrast and a bit more purple fringing. The Hanimex looks to have a stronger front coating.
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Seems like this black Mamiya 3.5/135mm is the same as your Hanimex (Tokina) above: Click here to see on Ebay.de _________________ ---------------------------------
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ramiller500
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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ramiller500 wrote:
In the late 1960's, Mamiya's early 135mm/2.8 M42 lens was also very much like the Hanimex version of that time. Both were made by what became Tokina. _________________ Sincerely,
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Fujinonuser
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 128 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Fujinonuser wrote:
@ramiller500
You are right to say "made by what became Tokina." Tokina was incorporated under that name no sooner than May 1971. Between May 1950 and May 1971 they operated as Tokyo Optical Equipment Manufacturing, manufacturing lenses for Nikon, Ricoh, Mamiya, Soligor, Chinon, Miranda, possibly even early Canon, and many, many others. The glass was furnished by Hoya. Unfortunately, there is no company history available, but the development may be reconstructed in these discussions here. |
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Webwalker
Joined: 09 Jan 2012 Posts: 96 Location: Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan
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Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Webwalker wrote:
Kathmandu wrote: |
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I don't know who makes them-they are not bad at all.
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This is my Toki
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