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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 858 Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Thoughts on two cameras . . . |
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j.lukow wrote:
I'll start my commenting that people have different tastes and should I say biases in regards to cameras.
Thanks to Larry I'm now in possession of a second M42 camera ( Thanks again!) a Yashica TL Electro X ( ) and my other one gotten from Attila is a Praktica PLC2. Through usage I'll discover if I like one more than the other or if I've caught the collecting bug.
Now to my question. . .
The biggest difference I find between the two is the DOF. The Yashica like my Minoltas has the DOF (Yashica calls it the exposure check lever) control on the camera. The Praktica's is on the lens. I can't say how often I use it - but on the Yashica it will be lots- cause this is how you trigger the TTL metering, on the Praktica like my Minoltas a gentle touch of the shutter does it. If I'm going to build a collection of M42 lenses am I going to have grief? How many lenses are like my Meyer G. and have the DOF button on the lens opposed to ones like the Auto Yashinon DX ? How does this relate to German and Russian lenses?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts or advice.
Jim _________________ EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
I may be completely wrong here, but it seems to me that your Yashica just has a servo that presses the M42 lens diaphragm pin (this closes the diaphragm to the set aperture on any "automatic" M42 lens) to do the meter/exposure check.
On an all-mechanical camera the shutter mechanism presses the pin when you trip the shutter.
If thats what your Yashica is doing, then any "automatic" M42 lens - any lens with a pin - will work.
Older manual lenses or pre-set lenses have no pins and you will not have this function.
Many lenses have some sort of auto-manual setting on the lens, and some - like a couple of Sigmas I have, and all the Soligors with T-4 mounts, and for all I know plenty of others - have a check wheel or a check lever or check button in addition to the pin. You press the button or whatever to stop down the lens to meter, and when you release it it opens up again. I don't like these; I prefer the auto-manual setting like on the Takumars. When I want it manual I want it to stay manual. |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
I dfon't know anything about the Yashica camera, but I can tell you a little about the Praktica PLC2 as I have one too.
The camera itself has no means of checking DOF. It's designed to use the "electric" lenses with A-M switch and contact pins which tell the camera the lens aperture setting. With the lens switch set on A and the the switch under the rewind knob set to the solid circle mark, the camera will meter the exposure without stopping down, depending on the shutter speed setting, when you partially press the shutter release. The aperture only closes when the shutter fires, operated by the pusher inside the camera mount and the pin in the lens.
If you want to check the DOF on this camera you need to set the lens on M and the camera switch to the open circle and use stop-down metering. This is also what you have to do if you're using any other type of M42 lens without the contact pins.
The older Prakticas (like my Nova 1B for example) close the aperture by partially pressing the shutter release as you describe, but this was discontinued in the later models because it's possible to release the button and open the aperture fully before the shutter has completed its travel. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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j.lukow
Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 858 Location: Lindsay Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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j.lukow wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
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If you want to check the DOF on this camera you need to set the lens on M and the camera switch to the open circle and use stop-down metering. This is also what you have to do if you're using any other type of M42 lens without the contact pins.
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I have none of the "electric" lenses (with the contacts). Currently when using my Meyer Goerlitz Oreston if I push the small button on the side of the lens the appeture closes down - so one of the things I was trying to find out is if other of the "european" lenses have the same feature built into them?
I guess I need to read a manual on this camera since I don't have one. _________________ EMPLOYMENT: That which funded photography and my new woodworking business.j.lukow
Jim's Kit:
Minolta Kit: Minolta X570 & Autowinder G, Minolta SRT200
LENSES:Minolta - 45mm & 50mm F1:2, PF 58mm F1:1.4, Tamron 28mm f1:2.5, Tamron SP 35-80mm f1:2.8/3.8 & CF TeleMacro zoom 80-210 f1:3.8, Vivitar f3.0~4.5 35-200mm macro focusing zoom, f 2.8 28mm CF Wide angle, 2x macro focus teleconverter,Sigma F4 25-250, f 2.8~4 35-70mm zoom master,Tokina SD f4-5.6 70-210 zoom, f4.5 80-200 "Ultra" Zoom,AutoImage 135mm F1:2.8, Spiratone 400mm f1:6.3, Magicon f3.5-4.8 35-70mm macro zoom,Quantary f8-500 Mirror/macro lens, Accura MD mount Macro bellows
M42 Kit:Praktica PLC2,Yashica TL Electro X
LENSES:Meyer Goerlitz Oreston 50mm f1:1.8 , Auto Yashinon DX 1:1.7 50mm,Steinheil Munchen Culminar 135mm f4.5, Adaptall-2 M42 adapter
Zeiss . . . Zeiss Contaflex 126 system, Zeiss Contaflex Super
Medium Format: Pentacon sixTL
Hasselblad 500c/m - CZ 2.8-80mm planar, CZ 4-150mm sonnarCF |
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Juanma
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 257 Location: Cambrils, Spain
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Juanma wrote:
j.lukow wrote: |
I have none of the "electric" lenses (with the contacts). Currently when using my Meyer Goerlitz Oreston if I push the small button on the side of the lens the appeture closes down - so one of the things I was trying to find out is if other of the "european" lenses have the same feature built into them?
I guess I need to read a manual on this camera since I don't have one. |
My Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 4/20 has it too. I think that some other CZJ zebra models have it too. _________________ Juanma
Canon EOS 600 | Praktica MTL5B | Zorki 4K | Jupiter 8 | Flektogon 4/20 | Pentacon 2,8/29 | Flektogon 2,4/35 | Tessar 2,8/50 | Industar 50-2 | Jupiter 9 | Sonnar 3,5/135 | Some AF stuff | A couple of MF lenses coming... |
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