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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:12 am Post subject: Blue light for more sharpness? -Avoid diffraction? |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Hi
I wonder if it might be possible to get more resolution out of the same object with the same lens when using blue or better pure monochromic blue or violett light (maybe ~430nm?) instead of normal white light.
Theoretically blue light should cause slightly less diffraction because it has a shorter wavelength and monochromic light would cause a picture which is completly free of any CAs.
Of course a B/W conversion would be necessary afterwards.
My idea is to use blue light while digitalizing 35mm B/W negatives - they are monochrome anyway.
Does it make any sense for you?
Next question would be what to use as a monochromatic lightsource
Using a prism or a diffraction grating to make an own monochromatic light source would make it unreasonable laborious
EDIT: A 405nm 5mw laserpoint might be interesting as monochromic lightsource. _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:14 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
How about a Royal blue LED? But you need a suitable method to get a very uniform distribution of that light and this is quite tricky. _________________ Klaus - Admin
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
If your imaging device uses a Bayer pattern sensor (like most digital cameras) you will lose resolution because you will only be using a quarter of the pixels in the sensor, i.e. those with a blue colour filter over them. With an ordinary camera you would be better using green illumination (Bayer pattern is 2 green to every 1 red and 1 blue pixel).
You can get de-Bayered sensors. Or buy the B&W Leica.
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buerokratiehasser
Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 470
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:52 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
I have thought of screwing a sharp filter before the lens and just expose for like a minute.
The problem with this is of course that you need something like b/w Adox copy film 25 and insane lens for the mono to have any noticeable impact (e6 and c41 drop at 200lpmm or way below), hrmm .. you could maybe indeed stop down to f8 or f5.6 or so instead of 5.6 or 4.
The next problem is that it will look just weird because everything not blue will be black. Even some blues will be black when they aren't broadband enough.
It will look weird even if you use R,G,B filters (which isn't even practical because screwing them will jiggle your setup) in succession. You can get this effect cheaper by using e6 duplicate film. |
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buerokratiehasser
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:54 am Post subject: |
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buerokratiehasser wrote:
Oh yeah and if you go for 3 rgb exposures these will of course have CA shift which you'd need to fix in postprocess. Not that there is a postprocess that can scratch 20,000 dpi off your negative.
I'd just go buy a 645 or P6. |
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Bille
Joined: 03 Jan 2013 Posts: 381
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Blue light for more sharpness? -Avoid diffraction? |
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Bille wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
monochromic light would cause a picture which is completly free of any CAs. |
True for achromatism, but otherwise... dramatic loss of resolution due to the Bayer RGB pattern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_sensor |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Blue light for more sharpness? -Avoid diffraction? |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Bille wrote: |
ForenSeil wrote: |
monochromic light would cause a picture which is completly free of any CAs. |
True for achromatism, but otherwise... dramatic loss of resolution due to the Bayer RGB pattern.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_sensor |
So to avoid CAs green light would be a better way
Crap, I need an Leica M9 Monochrom
I always thought that Bayer-Array sensors are using only 1/X of their resolution anyway because they always only use one pixel of each RGB pixel cluster and interpolates the rest _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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