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Victor Nguyen
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:17 am Post subject: Anybody ever thought of using cine lenses for photography? |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
Filmmakers use photography lenses to film. But I wonders if there are photographers out there that use Cine lenses.
Such as these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=zeiss+cp.2&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ta&Top+Nav-Search=
And don't tell me it's too expensive. I seen how much leica lenses go for on Ebay.
Let just forget about prices for now. Would you try it? _________________ Nikkor 24mm f2.8 ai, Rokinon/Samyang 35mm f 1.4, Nikkor 55 f2.8 micro ais, Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f 1.4, Pentacon 135 "bokeh monster" f 2.8, Contax Zeiss 180 f 2.8 |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:00 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Only the ones for 35mm are interesting imho as the others won't cover an APS-C sensor, 35mm ones will but with wider ones it can be very tight so there is some falloff in the corners.
Lots of people use old ones by TT&H, hence the huge prices they often go for, there's a stupid obsession in Asia with shooting them wide open as the coma and spherical abberation gives swirly bokeh.
I have some of the Russian LOMO OKC series, they are superb, I particularly like the 2.8/18. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:42 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Plenty of people use cine lenses. There are loads of adapters for them.
Even lenses for 16mm are easily adapted to APS-C sensor mirrorless bodies. There is often a vignetting problem but even so. There are even D-mount (8mm) adapters for small sensor camera's like the Pentax Q. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16663 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:42 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Sure, I do that all the time... Look into the cine section here. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Victor Nguyen
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 Posts: 241
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
I don't think you guys understand what I'm talking about. I'm talking about today's cine lenses such as the link I posted. Which SHOULD cover even full frame sensors.
The type of lenses I'm talking about for examples are: Zeiss super speed, Zeiss compact prime, Canon Cine, Angenieux zoom, and a lot of director of photography like Cooke Panchro lenses.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=cooke+panchro&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ta&Top+Nav-Search= _________________ Nikkor 24mm f2.8 ai, Rokinon/Samyang 35mm f 1.4, Nikkor 55 f2.8 micro ais, Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f 1.4, Pentacon 135 "bokeh monster" f 2.8, Contax Zeiss 180 f 2.8 |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16663 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:11 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Oh those $$$$$ ones - of course, instead of having a savings account
But I have a Cooke Speed Pancho (f2/108mm), quite an amazing lens. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/sets/72157632021976157/
_________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
From what I understand the CP.2s are huge, heavy, and not particularly ergonomic for hand-held stills. The rings are not designed to be turned by a hand. Image quality of course would be great. |
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paulhofseth
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 577 Location: Norway
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: movie glass |
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paulhofseth wrote:
Oscar Beranek helped to start the use of 24x35mm by using cinema film stock (which was used "half frame" for movies). One must assume that longer cinema lenses with larger image circles may have been adapted for use even then.
In the distant past, I believe long Zeiss Sonnars also were used to make films.
In the not quite so distant past, the apochromatic Kinoptic cinema optics 100 and 150mm covered full frame and hence were adopted by Pignons (Alpa).The shorter ones would vignette on a "full frame". Longer Kinoptics, like the Cine Special could also be delivered with Alpa mounts.
I have used a Camex mount Kinoptic 100mm on a 5d II. Alpa mount to filmplane distance is too short for use on other SLRs, but one may of course remove the optical cell. For the early 100mms this is easily done, since they came with the detachable extensan mount. The early 150es need unscrewing some screws and a new rear mount. The newer ones with auto aperture would not lend themselves easily to such treatment. On short mount bodies like 4\3s , any Alpa lens including the ones originally intended for cinema can be mounted.
You may not be hunting for the more specialized cine optics, but it seems that anamorphic attachments are reasonably easy to come by.
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Cine lenses was always pro lenses, if okay for pro cine makers , surely okay to anyone. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Contax Sonnar 4/135 also came in cine mount, one went unsold on ebay uk the other day for 10ukp, it had a 18XXXXX serial, pre-war uncoated.
The Russians also put oct-18 mounts on their copy of the Sonnar 4/135 for use of 35mm mocie cameras. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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IAZA
Joined: 16 Apr 2010 Posts: 2587 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:20 am Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
Do you mean something like this ?
If I can get this lens under $200 I will! _________________ nex5, Olympus EPM1, yashica half 14, Canon eos 650 want to see samples of mine? please click My lenses
and My gallery
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Victor Nguyen
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 Posts: 241
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:38 am Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
IAZA wrote: |
Do you mean something like this ?
If I can get this lens under $200 I will! |
This is exactly what I was talking about. But it looks like he's taking video and not photography. It'll be fun to see more people taking pictures with these lenses. _________________ Nikkor 24mm f2.8 ai, Rokinon/Samyang 35mm f 1.4, Nikkor 55 f2.8 micro ais, Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f 1.4, Pentacon 135 "bokeh monster" f 2.8, Contax Zeiss 180 f 2.8 |
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enliten
Joined: 20 Sep 2011 Posts: 201 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:40 am Post subject: |
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enliten wrote:
I have thought the same thing in the past.
FYI cine lenses (especially for fast action) don't need to be as sharp as still lenses. Stills are examined for longer, more noticeable when something is wrong... Well, in theory anyway.
What I like about cine lenses is that they communicate in T-Stops, not F-Stops. I think all lenses should adopt this scheme.
-Ben _________________ www.craftedbyben.com
Digital: Canon EOS 7D
Film SLRs: Zenit 122, Nikon F55, Nikon FM2, Pentax Spotmatic, Pentax ME Super, Pentax K1000, Minolta SR1
Rangefinders: Konica Auto S2, Zeiss Ikon Contessa LKE, Zeiss Ikon Continette, Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 521/16, Fed 5B
50's: Super Takumar 50 f1.4, Helios 44-m6,, Minolta MD 50 f1.4, Meyer Optik Oreston 50 f1.8, Olympus 50 f1.4, Industar 55 f2.8 (RF), Jupiter-3 50 f1.5 (RF), Yashinon DS 50 f1.4, Zeiss Jena 50 f2.8, Zeiss Pancolar 50 f1.8
Med Tele: Jupiter-11 135 f4 (RF), Mamiya 120 f4 Macro (645), Meyer Optik Trioplan 100 f2.8, Jupiter-9 85 f2
Tele: Jupiter-21a 200mm f4
Wide: Rikenon 35 2.8, Rikenon 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 28 f2.8, Minolta MD 24 f2.8, Pentacon 30 f3.5, Enna Werk Munchen Lithagon 35 f4.5
Autofocus: Canon 50 1.8, Sigma 50 1.4, Tokina 11-16 2.8
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16663 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
I beg to differ, cine lenses have to be sharp - maybe you forgot about the size of the projected final image in movies.... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Victor Nguyen
Joined: 02 Aug 2012 Posts: 241
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
I beg to differ, cine lenses have to be sharp - maybe you forgot about the size of the projected final image in movies.... |
Yes it has to be sharp. However, video has less pixels than photography. The highest standard, 4k, is only 3840 pixels × 2160 pixels. Most theaters only show 4k. That's why photography lenses can be use on movies because if it can resolve a digital camera, then it's good enough for cinema. _________________ Nikkor 24mm f2.8 ai, Rokinon/Samyang 35mm f 1.4, Nikkor 55 f2.8 micro ais, Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f 1.4, Pentacon 135 "bokeh monster" f 2.8, Contax Zeiss 180 f 2.8 |
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IAZA
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:16 am Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
well if you really need to try one, there's Samyang cine version with T-stop. same price with F-stop one I guess.
I know 35/1,4 and 85/1,4 _________________ nex5, Olympus EPM1, yashica half 14, Canon eos 650 want to see samples of mine? please click My lenses
and My gallery
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Victor Nguyen
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Victor Nguyen wrote:
enliten wrote: |
I have thought the same thing in the past.
What I like about cine lenses is that they communicate in T-Stops, not F-Stops. I think all lenses should adopt this scheme.
-Ben |
Does anyone know why T-stops is not the standards for photography? _________________ Nikkor 24mm f2.8 ai, Rokinon/Samyang 35mm f 1.4, Nikkor 55 f2.8 micro ais, Rokinon/Samyang 85mm f 1.4, Pentacon 135 "bokeh monster" f 2.8, Contax Zeiss 180 f 2.8 |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1632 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:54 am Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
For sure I would like to use some film taking lenses, but at the moment I use film projection lenses - they are much cheaper.
My Astro Berlin Fernbildlinse 200mm/5 16mm film lens has a too small image circle for my 5D, have to test it with a crop camera. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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ManuallyYours
Joined: 21 Jun 2012 Posts: 35 Location: Lyon, FRANCE
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:46 am Post subject: |
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ManuallyYours wrote:
I already use a cine lens (FUJINON 14X) to take pictures with my Nikon d300s. I spend some time to adapt it, but the results are not a good as I expected, but the global render is quite nice, especially bokehs.
Check on my Tumblr : http://manuallyonly.tumblr.com/ _________________ NIKON d300s+MB-D10 |
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enzodm
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Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:48 am Post subject: |
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enzodm wrote:
It seems to me the reverse path of what is being done now... cine makers using photo lenses because cheaper... _________________
Canon 60D, Tamron 17-50VC, Canon 55-250IS, Sigma 50-150/2.8 plus:
Wide: Mir 20/3.5, Kenlock 24/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Yashikor 35/2.8, Mir 37/2.8
Fifties: Voigtländer Color Ultron 50/1.8, Pentacon 50/1.8, Zenitar 50/1.9, Leica Summicron 50/2, CZJ Pancolar 50/2, CZJ Tessar 50/2.8, Industar 50/3.5 , Rikenon 55/1.4, Petri 55/1.8, Helios 58/2
In the middle: Cyclop 85/1.5, Nikon 100/2.8
135s: Tamron 135/2.5, CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5, Jupiter 135/3.5, CZJ Triotar 135/4, Tamron Twin Tele 135-225
Tele: Soligor 200/2.8, Pentax Super Takumar 200/4, Hanimex 400/6.3, Makinon 500/8
Various: Schneider-Kreuznach Componar 135/4.5, Tominon 105/4.5, Vest Pocket Kodak meniscus, Wray Supar 2"/4.5
Sony Nex 6 plus:
Industar 69 28/2.8, Fujian 35/1.7, Rokkor 50/1.4, Jupiter 50/2, Cosmicar 50/2.8, Industar-22 50/3.5, Leitz Elmar 90/4, Canon Serenar 100/4
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bruzzo
Joined: 05 Jul 2012 Posts: 153
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Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:00 am Post subject: |
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bruzzo wrote:
enzodm wrote: |
It seems to me the reverse path of what is being done now... cine makers using photo lenses because cheaper... |
Ya exactly what I thought as well. It makes sense for cine makers especially independent movie shooters to use photo lenses because they are a lot cheaper. On the other hand it's extremely expensive for photographers to use cine lenses because they are too expensive.
Eg. A Zeiss ZE 50/1.4 is around $725 new on Amazon. A Zeiss 50/T1.3 cine lens is around $21950. The price difference is too big to justify using these types of cine lenses for photography.
However, I know quite a lot of ppl including myself use 8mm and 16mm cine lenses from the old days for both photography and video shooting. These are much more affordable. But still ever since Pentax Q's released, these lenses' prices sky rocketed...and so I think they are more for enthusiasts more than practical use. |
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