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Yahvel
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:36 am Post subject: Ultra-Wide f/2.8 Lens Sharp + No Distort for Filming ??? |
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Yahvel wrote:
I am looking for a Ultra Wide f/2.8 lens for filming with little or zero distortion and fairly sharp wide-open. This is so frustrating |
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bernhardas
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:21 am Post subject: |
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bernhardas wrote:
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Yahvel
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David
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At least they give you free shipping. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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LGH
Joined: 31 Jan 2012 Posts: 46
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:54 am Post subject: |
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LGH wrote:
I'm sure the Zeiss is leagues better, but my Vivitar 28mm f/2 is quite sharp when stopped down to f/2.8. Can be found dirt cheap if you're lucky or willing to wait.
And if this isn't good enough, the Samyang 24mm f/1.4 should be plenty sharp stopped down two stops. Available in several mounts.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/868732-REG/Samyang_SY24M_C_24mm_f_1_4_ED_AS.html _________________ Sony NEX-5N, Canon EOS 7D |
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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
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At least they give you free shipping. |
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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
Thanks!!! |
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NewStuff
Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 847 Location: Wales, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:31 am Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
Samyang 14mm? Although there is Mustache distortion, the lens profile is well known, so should be easily correctable. It is cheap* too at £300ish new, and it's Very sharp indeed.
*Compared to new Zeiss, and Canikon AF stuff _________________ Too many to list. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Ultra-Wide f/2.8 Lens Sharp + No Distort for Filming ??? |
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Aanything wrote:
Yahvel wrote: |
I am looking for a Ultra Wide f/2.8 lens for filming with little or zero distortion and fairly sharp wide-open. This is so frustrating |
What do you need to film, and what camera will you use?
If you really need it sharp fast wide and distortion-less, you will have to get a very high end lens, but maybe you could rent one - that's what many do. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Yahvel
Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Posts: 243 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Yahvel wrote:
NewStuff wrote: |
Samyang 14mm? Although there is Mustache distortion, the lens profile is well known, so should be easily correctable. It is cheap* too at £300ish new, and it's Very sharp indeed.
*Compared to new Zeiss, and Canikon AF stuff |
Yea thats the one my friends have recomended me also, i am gonna buy it for $400 USD and the seller told me that if i am not satisfied he will give me a full refund, so i really got nothing to lose. |
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
Yahvel wrote: |
Yea thats the one my friends have recomended me also, i am gonna buy it for $400 USD and the seller told me that if i am not satisfied he will give me a full refund, so i really got nothing to lose. |
That is expensive for the 14 2.8
Normal price is ~$380, and during sales it has been known to drop to under $300.
But you said you wanted low/zero distortion. The Samyang's biggest flaw is its huge distortion. |
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NewStuff
Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 847 Location: Wales, UK
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
Yahvel wrote: |
Yea thats the one my friends have recomended me also, i am gonna buy it for $400 USD and the seller told me that if i am not satisfied he will give me a full refund, so i really got nothing to lose. |
That is expensive for the 14 2.8
Normal price is ~$380, and during sales it has been known to drop to under $300.
But you said you wanted low/zero distortion. The Samyang's biggest flaw is its huge distortion. |
I'll disagree with the "massive" distortion. There is some, it's noticeable, but massive? Really? Not when I tried it.
What, exactly, do You expect from a £250-£300 (brand new, with warranty) 14mm, 2.8 lens? _________________ Too many to list. |
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Arkku
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
NewStuff wrote: |
I'll disagree with the "massive" distortion. There is some, it's noticeable, but massive? Really? Not when I tried it.
What, exactly, do You expect from a £250-£300 (brand new, with warranty) 14mm, 2.8 lens? |
I have this lens, and I really love it, but I don't disagree about the massive distortion. Yes, it's not always noticeable, but it is rather massive both absolutely (measured distortion figures) and relatively (compared to other non-fish-eye lenses).
However, as for what to expect… the Samyang 14mm f/2.8 is one of the sharpest full frame primes out there. Not just among wide angles, but all lenses, including Zeiss, macros, Zeiss macros, etc. |
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sbaechler
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 10
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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sbaechler wrote:
If you have access to a PL mount adapter you could rent cine lenses.
A Zeiss Ultra Prime 12mm is about 250$/day. There is also a Zeiss Ultra Prime 8R (rectilinear) which is simply amazing. (About 600$/day).
Most rental places now have the cheaper Zeiss CF lenses in Canon or PL mount as well. Usually as a set for DSLR shooters.
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:40 am Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
NewStuff wrote: |
I'll disagree with the "massive" distortion. There is some, it's noticeable, but massive? Really? Not when I tried it.
What, exactly, do You expect from a £250-£300 (brand new, with warranty) 14mm, 2.8 lens? |
~5% is huge for a 14mm prime. The cost of the lens doesn't make 5% any smaller, 5% is 5%.
I didn't say it was bad value for money. I'm going to buy one myself. |
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NewStuff
Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 847 Location: Wales, UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
I'll bow to You guys on that one, as I only had a brief play, but the lens profile I applied didn't really have a huge effect on any pictures. I had assumed it was the same affliction that is seen in the PC enthusiasts forums, where numbers are the be all and end all, with little regard for the actual outcome.
I may have just had a subject that masked it well.
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I had also spent the day getting annoyed by Canon Fanboys, who have the "It's not Canon it's not L glass, and costs less than £750? And it's Manual??? Must be shit then" attitude.
I get it that much (replace Canon and "L" with brand of choice and premium lens designation as appropriate, depending on person), that it becomes an instinctive reaction. Most people outside of these, and slowly, the Urban Exploration forums, haven't heard of it, let alone tried it.
No-one will volunteer to go head to head, and pit their expensive glass against old lenses that cost on average, £10 each (Let alone the Samyang), and put up some goods to back up what they are saying, and I get pissed off with blind loyalty, more so when pushed onto other people. 2 people "chickened out" of putting up the Samyang against Canon's 17-40 and my choice of £10 50mm against Canon's f1.4 version (Each person owns one of them). I suspect the Canon would probably win in both, but would it be by a big enough margin to justify the huge price differences?
I know members of this forum are not like that.
Sorry, I was having a bad day, You hit a nerve, but it wasn't your fault. Apologies. _________________ Too many to list.
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
I know what you mean This is often the behaviour of people who have to justify having spent too much money against others who simply try something else.
The funniest thing is to mention the N-word (NIKON)
But generally, and this is why I love forums like this here, the whole story becomes interesting when you surpass system borders, and explore different companies, lenses and their special talents. I am using Nikkor, Mamiya SX and 645, Zeiss-Contax, Minolta MD and now, to my own surprise, even a Canon FD 28mm lens
Greetings,
Benedikt _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
Nikon D90, Sony NEX-3
AF-Nikkors 24mm F2,8, 35mm F1,8 DX, 85mm F1,8, 28-105mm F3,5-4,5D IF
Nikon MF: Nikkor 20mm F4, Nikkor 50mm F2 Ai, Micro-Nikkor-P 55mm F3,5, Nikkor 135mm F2,8 Ai, Nikkor 200mm F4
Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm F2,8 [for sale], Vario-Sonnar 80-200mm F4 T* (C/Y) with Leitax for Nikon-F
Minolta MD-Rokkors: 28mm F2,8, 45mm F2
M42 Lenses: Mamiya/Sekor SX 21mm F4, SX 28mm F2,8, SX 55mm F1,8, SX 135mm F2,8, 400mm F6,3 [for sale], Asahi-Pentax Super-Tak. 28mm F3,5 and 55mm F1,8, CZJ Tessar 50mm F2,8, Vivitar 135mm F2,8
Mamiya 645 Lenses: Mamiya Sekor C 80mm F2,8 N, 300mm F5,6, 105-210mm F4,5 ULD [for sale] |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
You can't go far wrong with a 20mm CZJ Flektogon. The newer f2.8 MC version has very good perspective correction, but the older f4 version is reputedly even better. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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sichko
Joined: 20 Jun 2008 Posts: 2475 Location: South West UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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sichko wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
You can't go far wrong with a 20mm CZJ Flektogon. The newer f2.8 MC version has very good perspective correction, but the older f4 version is reputedly even better. |
Peter, do you mean geometric rather than perspective ? _________________ John |
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Olivier
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
+1 about the old Flektogon 20mm f:4
It's an interesting lens speaking about distorsion as it is quite well mastered. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
NewStuff wrote: |
Sorry, I was having a bad day, You hit a nerve, but it wasn't your fault. Apologies. |
Not an "L" quality apology |
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NewStuff
Joined: 31 Mar 2011 Posts: 847 Location: Wales, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
Meh, you fancy people, with your fancy apologies, in the old days, we beat each other over the head with sticks, shook hands and walked off... now, get off my lawn...
*shakes cane*
It's about as much as I could muster, and I doubt I could do as much today. I shouldn't have snapped like I did, and if I'm wrong, I'll happily put my hands up to it.
Sirrith wrote: |
NewStuff wrote: |
Sorry, I was having a bad day, You hit a nerve, but it wasn't your fault. Apologies. |
Not an "L" quality apology |
_________________ Too many to list. |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
sichko wrote: |
peterqd wrote: |
You can't go far wrong with a 20mm CZJ Flektogon. The newer f2.8 MC version has very good perspective correction, but the older f4 version is reputedly even better. |
Peter, do you mean geometric rather than perspective ? |
Maybe, but I think we all got the message. However, thanks for the correction John. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:27 am Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
NewStuff wrote: |
Meh, you fancy people, with your fancy apologies, in the old days, we beat each other over the head with sticks, shook hands and walked off... now, get off my lawn...
*shakes cane*
It's about as much as I could muster, and I doubt I could do as much today. I shouldn't have snapped like I did, and if I'm wrong, I'll happily put my hands up to it.
Sirrith wrote: |
NewStuff wrote: |
Sorry, I was having a bad day, You hit a nerve, but it wasn't your fault. Apologies. |
Not an "L" quality apology |
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Hehe, no worries. No offence was taken in the first place. |
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sbaechler
Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Posts: 10
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:03 am Post subject: |
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sbaechler wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
You can't go far wrong with a 20mm CZJ Flektogon. The newer f2.8 MC version has very good perspective correction, but the older f4 version is reputedly even better. |
20mm is not really ultra wide. Especially on crop sensor bodies.
Not out yet but should become available this year:
10mm Samyang 2.8 (APS-C version of the 14mm) update: next year.
15mm Zeiss Distagon 2.8 for full frame cameras. |
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