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Karhallarn
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 577
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: Medium Format lenses on mirrorless bodies? |
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Karhallarn wrote:
Hi guys!
Do any of you folks use medium format lenses on their mirrorless cameras? I was looking into Mamiya 645 lenses the other day and a steal for a Schneider Kreuznach 150mm f4 P6 lens went by the other day.
I used to have some P6 lenses for my Nikon and Pentax cameras some years ago and remember the 180mm to be huge but the 80mm f2.8 as being very nice on those cameras. As far as I know, the mamiya lenses are very sharp and they are smaller than the P6 lenses, so I was thinking about getting one or the other for my NX11!
What do you guys think? Anybody has some pictures of medium format lenses mounted to a mirrorless?
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3702 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
See the small red part of the lens projected image that you'll be able to use. Your needs should be very specific to make this sensible. _________________ ---------------------------------
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Apart from being huge and with long adapter there's nothing wrong with those lenses.
They are good (specially the Schneider ones) so feel free to try them
I think i have posted here somewhere a picture of f4.5/300mm Tair-3 from Salyut 6x6 mounted on Olympus E-P2 _________________ Stefan
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I do use any kind of lens on mirror less bodies, huge , small irrelevant all works well. You keep lens in your hands and camera in air, I do same with SLR camera also with big lenses. I am not fond of big lenses , but up to 120mm perfectly easy to use and Medium format lens just like a 35mm SLR lens. _________________ -------------------------------
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16625 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, as Attila said, you can use about any lens on mirrorless camera, considering the small part it actually only uses of the available projected image. I used it with any lens I have so far, also with a Hypergon that has a 234mm x 234mm image format (330mm image diagonal size) and got amazingly good results (also as you're only using the best part that lens does - its center) :biggrin:
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David
Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1869 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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David wrote:
One advantage to APS-C sensors in general is that only the center part of the image circle is used. So only the sharpest part of it. Using a medium-format lens means that you'd only get the very sharpest part of the image cone on the sensor, arguably resulting in higher-quality images.
NOW, that said, I've read conflicting articles that medium-format lenses have both higher and lower resolving power (measured in lines per mm) than 35mm lenses. Not yet having my P67 to PK adapter, I can't testify one way or the other from experience. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
APS-C is the same regardless of mirror or mirrorless - the register is accomplished by the adapter. But if the concern is about size of the lens and its proportion to the camera, that could be concern. I wouldn't try to just hold the camera without also supporting the lens when using a heavy lens for fear of damaging the camera mount. I have not yet used my P6 lenses with my NEX, but only because I haven't purchased that adapter yet. However, I think my Meyer 300/4 is going to look a bit silly attached to that camera. _________________ Regards,
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Joe Ogiba
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Millstone NJ
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:47 am Post subject: 165mm F2.8 Pentax 67 MF lens on the Pentax K-01 mirrorless |
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Joe Ogiba wrote:
With Pentax 1.7x AF adapter TC :
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Pancolart's argument about the small size of the APS-C sensor in the centre of the large image circle cuts no ice with me. There is no difference using an 80mm lens on a mirrorless camera as on an APS-C DSLR. And, apart from the crop, as on a medium format camera too. An 80mm lens is still 80mm, whatever the camera. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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hifisapi
Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 941 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:12 am Post subject: |
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hifisapi wrote:
I think using medium format lenses on small aps-c or m43 mirrorless cameras is a bad idea. Generally speaking these lenses do not have as good a resolving power in lines/mm as lenses designed for the smaller formats so your not only giving up image quality, you also have to deal with large and massive lenses that are overkill in terms of image circle. _________________ ===========
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
All the medium format lenses i tried on my apsc camera (volna-3, biometar 120, sonnar 180, flektogon 50) worked great, delivering good (volna-3) to excellent (flektogon 50) iq.
So, in my opinion, the only thing you should worry about is size and handling, especially considering that the adapters will add significant bulk to the lenses. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3702 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
Now the real question remains: why to buy medium format over full frame lenses if camera is APS-C?
Crop already cuts soft edges even with full frame lenses. You can get nice CZJ Tessar 2.8/50mm for few bucks. What would be medium format equivalent? Can you buy it for less then 50 EUR? Hardly. You can only dream of F1.4 in medium format.
30mm is fish-eye in medium format. These are costly beasts! You have an ocean of nice 28mm & 35mm lenses to chose from in full frame class. There are practically no solutions for wider angles.
Maybe one still can snatch a nice 2.8/150(165, 180)mm or 4/300mm. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Joe Ogiba
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Millstone NJ
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Ogiba wrote:
I would not purchased a MF lens to use on an APS-C or full frame DSLR but since I have four Pentax 67 lenses it does not cost me anything to use. _________________ Sony NEX-VG900, Panasonic GH2, Voigtländer Nokton 25mm f/0.95 ,Pentax DS2, K-7, K-01,Q and MF lenses from 6.5mm to 2350mm |
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David
Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1869 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:56 am Post subject: |
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David wrote:
The only 6X7 lens (that I own) I could see myself realistically using on an APS-C or FF body would be the 105mm 1:2.4. That's a nice portrait lens and is very bright. It's also super-sharp. I also have the 200mm 1:4, which is WAY to heavy for a 35mm camera. Also the 55mm 1:3.5 is super heavy and why would I used a monstrous and difficult-to-replace lens when 55mm 1:1.8s are like $25.
In terms of lenses I don't own, I could see myself using the 6X7 135mm macro lens on a 35mm body. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/hancockDavidM |
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jjphoto
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 410
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:59 am Post subject: |
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jjphoto wrote:
Medium format lenses come into their own when used with tilt, shift or tilt/shift adapters.
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Joe Ogiba
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Millstone NJ
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Joe Ogiba wrote:
David wrote: |
The only 6X7 lens (that I own) I could see myself realistically using on an APS-C or FF body would be the 105mm 1:2.4. That's a nice portrait lens and is very bright. It's also super-sharp. I also have the 200mm 1:4, which is WAY to heavy for a 35mm camera. Also the 55mm 1:3.5 is super heavy and why would I used a monstrous and difficult-to-replace lens when 55mm 1:1.8s are like $25.
In terms of lenses I don't own, I could see myself using the 6X7 135mm macro lens on a 35mm body. |
I have the 135mm Pentax 67 Macro in new condition but I also have the 105mm Kiron Macro that I use most of the time. I also have the 55mm F3.5 Pentax 67 wide angle with all 8 100mm Pentax filters. _________________ Sony NEX-VG900, Panasonic GH2, Voigtländer Nokton 25mm f/0.95 ,Pentax DS2, K-7, K-01,Q and MF lenses from 6.5mm to 2350mm |
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