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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:14 pm    Post subject: German 135's Reply with quote
Which one?

1. Pentacon 135 / 2.8


2. Meyer Optik Gorlitz Orestor 135mm 2.8 Preset


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Both are made in East Germany, German lenses. I like zebra better, bokeh is more smooth , take any of them you will like it.


PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And if you'll let go the non-zebra, could you please send me the contact where i can get it? PM is better. Friends around here are fast as Usain Bolt.

Thanks,

Renato


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
#2 will have 15 blades for great bokeh. If #1 is MC/auto it will have fewer blades and be somewhat different. Both are excellent though.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
One thing i think it's important in 1º: is a preset type lens. Is there a Pentacon as 2º that is preset as 1º?

Renato


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
RSalles wrote:
Is there a Pentacon as 2º that is preset as 1º?


I believe only Meyer/Pentacon zebras are preset versions.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think it's the same lens. Meyer Optik was absorbed by Pentacon, and some of it produced lenses were Meyer-Optik designs.

There are several versions of this lens:

- Vesion Meyer Optik "Zebra": the original. Orange and white markings.
- 1st version Pentacon "Zebra": same as above.
- 2nd Pentacon version: Body color black, white and orange markings. Focusing ring star shaped and grooving grip.
- 3rd Pentacon version: Body color black, white and orange markings. Focusing ring rounded and Knurling grip.
- 4th Pentacon version: Body color black, white and green markings. Focusing ring rounded and Knurling grip.

All versions are preset with 15 blades iris.

Regards.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
thundertwin72 wrote:
All versions are preset with 15 blades iris..

No. That is not correct.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
just get all three Laughing you know you will eventually either way Wink


*looks at pile of glass on my shelf. feels happy and sad that I can't use them all at once Razz


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i have
#1
and is preset !!
and also 15 blades!!
and Sharp as hell Smile


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If the price is the same, get the Meyer.
It will surely have higher value if/when you will sell it.
If there's a noticeable difference in price, get the cheaper: probably you will hardly note any difference in IQ between them.

Also the later, non preset "pentacon electric" version can be extremely good (some report copy variation issues, though), and often cheaper.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting topic - I see no Russian lenses here Wink
My vote is for German Pentacon (1st one)

These two lenses are identical(except external looks) I suppose,
...and I do not think Meyer is more expensive than Pentacon.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just found the first one for $67 along with three other ziess lens, and one helios 44. So I hope the first one is good for the price I paid for it.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
izvar wrote:
Interesting topic - I see no Russian lenses here Wink
My vote is for German Pentacon (1st one)

These two lenses are identical(except external looks) I suppose,
...and I do not think Meyer is more expensive than Pentacon.


You are right!!!

Sorry about that. German Lenses......


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
frenched wrote:
thundertwin72 wrote:
All versions are preset with 15 blades iris..

No. That is not correct.

Sorry, you are confused.

The five versions that thundertwin72 listed are definitely all preset versions with 15-blade diaphragms, evolving from the
Meyer Zebra into later Pentacon versions. The cosmetics and the name changed with time but the optics remained the
same. They all have the aperture control near the front.

The 6-blade Pentacon MC Auto 135 is not preset, the aperture control is near the mount.. It's a different lens altogether.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tinybynature wrote:
izvar wrote:
Interesting topic - I see no Russian lenses here Wink
My vote is for German Pentacon (1st one)

These two lenses are identical(except external looks) I suppose,
...and I do not think Meyer is more expensive than Pentacon.


You are right!!!

Sorry about that. German Lenses......


I think you had the right idea from the start - Tair 11 or 11A.


PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
woodrim wrote:
tinybynature wrote:
izvar wrote:
Interesting topic - I see no Russian lenses here Wink
My vote is for German Pentacon (1st one)

These two lenses are identical(except external looks) I suppose,
...and I do not think Meyer is more expensive than Pentacon.


You are right!!!

Sorry about that. German Lenses......


I think you had the right idea from the start - Tair 11 or 11A.



AHHHH.... thank you. I was wondering about those two options. 22 blades on the 11A version, I believe. Bokeh should be as nice, when compared to the Meyer or Pentacon, but what about sharpness and contrast, on the Tair models?

Also, what is the big differences, between the 11 and 11A, other than price?

How would the Jupiter 11A and 37A, fit into this equation.

Thanks everyone, for all the feedback. I am hunting for a good 135mm and even though I see so much out there regarding the CZJ 135/3.5, I am keeping my options open for other gems.

Smile

EDIT - from what I am reading online, people are liking the Jupiter 37A, over the Jupiter 11A and the Tair11A. I am even seeing some say, that they prefer it to the CZJ Sonnar!!

any comments on that? (how do these Russian 135's, compare to the German modes?)


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have only the Jupiter 11 non A. Good skintone, very sharp, I use it more than my Sonnar 135, dont know why. Very Happy


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've had multiple Jupiter 11s in RF mounts and I have played with a Zeiss Opton Sonnar 4/135, the 1950s copies of the Russians are very close to the pre-war coated Zeiss originals they are copied from and as good as the postwar Zeiss Jena Sonnar 4/135 SLR lens imho.

I had a Jupiter-11A M42 and it was better than my Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/135.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I tried Meyer orestor 135/2,8 15 blades, pentacon 135/2,8 6 bades, CZ sonnar 135/3,5 MC & zebra, Jupiter 37A, and Tair 11A.
Tair 11A definetely is the best. in term of color, detail, sharpness. even wide open. It has same class with CZ Sonnar 135/2,8 T* ( I have bot now) here's my comparison of them http://ihyaahsani.blogspot.com/2012/10/tair-11a-13528-cz-sonnar-13528-t-aej.html


PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
1- Orestor, asking the first question of the thread.

2- My favorite 135 lens made in germany, the macro 2,8/135 Steinheil. Or the "D" version.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
peterqd wrote:
The 6-blade Pentacon MC Auto 135 is not preset, the aperture control is near the mount.. It's a different lens altogether.


Exactly. I mentioned that fact.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
tinybynature wrote:
woodrim wrote:
tinybynature wrote:
izvar wrote:
Interesting topic - I see no Russian lenses here Wink
My vote is for German Pentacon (1st one)

These two lenses are identical(except external looks) I suppose,
...and I do not think Meyer is more expensive than Pentacon.


You are right!!!

Sorry about that. German Lenses......


I think you had the right idea from the start - Tair 11 or 11A.



AHHHH.... thank you. I was wondering about those two options. 22 blades on the 11A version, I believe. Bokeh should be as nice, when compared to the Meyer or Pentacon, but what about sharpness and contrast, on the Tair models?

Also, what is the big differences, between the 11 and 11A, other than price?

How would the Jupiter 11A and 37A, fit into this equation.

Thanks everyone, for all the feedback. I am hunting for a good 135mm and even though I see so much out there regarding the CZJ 135/3.5, I am keeping my options open for other gems.

Smile

EDIT - from what I am reading online, people are liking the Jupiter 37A, over the Jupiter 11A and the Tair11A. I am even seeing some say, that they prefer it to the CZJ Sonnar!!

any comments on that? (how do these Russian 135's, compare to the German modes?)


Sorry for the late response, haven't been as active on the forum of late. You are discovering that there are as many opinions as there are popular lenses and I'm no different. I do not have the Zeiss, but suspect I would like it. However, I do have a Jupiter 11, Oretestor, Tair, and Vivitar Series 1 among others. I rarely touch the Jupiter, but mostly because it's just too slow. The Meyer is very good and every bit its reputation. The Tair and Series 1 are my favorites - the Series 1 for its raw sharpness, but the Tair is near or as sharp. The Tair has been the one I pick up most because of the overall image quality. I find it easy to focus and like the pre-set aperture control. The round iris provides for pleasing bokeh at all apertures, and in my opinion the bokeh is second to none. For my taste, the bokeh is more pleasing than the Meyer, which is saying a lot, and is only challenged by my ISCO, but that lens is not as sharp and is slower. My Tair is the early silver version and although an M42, must have originally been the m39 version as it stops just short of reaching infinity. I rarely use my telephotos at infinity, so for me that's a small issue. I'll provide a few pictures from the Tair that I think demonstrate both sharpness and bokeh...













And a 100%crop from another picture using a 10mp APS-C sensor.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have all Pentacon , Meyer lenses in this focal length all different a bit even Zebra Meyer and Pentacon not same fully many coating is different , but they produce different looking images.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
IAZA wrote:
I tried Meyer orestor 135/2,8 15 blades, pentacon 135/2,8 6 bades, CZ sonnar 135/3,5 MC & zebra, Jupiter 37A, and Tair 11A.
Tair 11A definetely is the best. in term of color, detail, sharpness. even wide open. It has same class with CZ Sonnar 135/2,8 T* ( I have bot now) here's my comparison of them http://ihyaahsani.blogspot.com/2012/10/tair-11a-13528-cz-sonnar-13528-t-aej.html

Interesting.

I have tried Meyer Orestor 135/2,8 15 blades, Pentacon zebra 135/2,8 15 blades, CZJ Sonnar 135/3,5 MC, Jupiter 37A, and Tair 11A.

I would say the Sonnar is the sharpest, followed by Tair & J37A (sold the 37A as it was like the Sonnar, but not as good IMO).

The Meyer I got for £5gbp and sold it when I got the mint Pentacon with lens hood, case and original caps for 8gbp. I don't use the `Bokeh Monster' much, but there's something I enjoy about the handling of it that stops me selling it.
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