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woodrim
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 Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: Tokyo Kogaku 58/1.8 RE, Auto-Topcor |
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Took an interest recently in the much heralded Topcor lenses. Found some at reasonable cost, and now with my new NEX-5N I can use them and other lenses that have been sitting in waiting. I still have the f/1.4 version on my watch list. My initial assessment of this lens is that it is very sharp in the center at wide open, and sharp all over when stopped down. Center performance at wide open seems slightly better than my Rokkor-X 50/1.7, but it becomes harder to tell a difference stopped down. I do need to explore the bokeh more on this Topcor lens as initial indications seem very good. Many more shots to come as I get more time with the NEX.
As usual, I don't take good notes on aperture, but know that this first one was wide open. For the others, the day was too bright.
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kyonthinh
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It's brilliant, how much did you pay for it?  |
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ForenSeil
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ForenSeil wrote:
Good IQ and interesting bokeh - looks very interesting!
Rendering reminds me a little to the F1.4 rokkors.
If I haven't already had enough 50mm SLR lenses that might would be one of my next purchases 
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patrickh wrote:
I just got one for $12.50 - the rubber focus ring has a small burn mark, otherwise seems in perfect condition. Health is delaying excursions, but if it is anywhere near as good as this one seems and my Topcor 100/2.8 is, then I shall be well pleased
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:33 am Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
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I just got one for $12.50 - the rubber focus ring has a small burn mark, otherwise seems in perfect condition. Health is delaying excursions, but if it is anywhere near as good as this one seems and my Topcor 100/2.8 is, then I shall be well pleased
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I have both.  The 100mm ver is miles ahead. |
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
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| patrickh wrote: |
I just got one for $12.50 - the rubber focus ring has a small burn mark, otherwise seems in perfect condition. Health is delaying excursions, but if it is anywhere near as good as this one seems and my Topcor 100/2.8 is, then I shall be well pleased
patrickh |
I have both. The 100mm ver is miles ahead. |
I have both also, but wouldn't consider the difference that great. In fact, I would find it difficult to say which was best within its respective focal length.
kyonthinh: Pricing can differ greatly as with any lens depending on condition. The price patrickh paid is insanely low. I got mine with another lens so can only estimate around $40, which was a good deal in my mind.
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patrickh wrote:
The seller only showed a picture of the burn mark and played it up in the description. I took a chance that seems to have worked 
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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simbon4o wrote:
Looks very interesting! Love the soft defocus!
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Attila wrote:
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| It's brilliant, how much did you pay for it? |
Woodrim is brilliant you can recognize his fingerprint with any lenses, lovely samples, especially second one with dog.
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kyonthinh
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:04 am Post subject: |
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kyonthinh wrote:
Re Topcors are Exakta mount, UV lenses are Topcon mount (i think that's what people call them). |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
What I find strange is you can mount Topcors on Exakta cameras, but not vice versa.
Excellent work, Woodrim! |
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kyonthinh
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kyonthinh wrote:
Well, actually, i have another deal, that's i can get 2 x 58mm 1.4 for cheap.
Should I buy 58 1.4 or 1.8, because people say 1.8 is sharper. |
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Mos6502 wrote:
I think you can mount Topcon lenses on the VX1000 and VX500. The knob on the release lever of the earlier cameras would get in the way when mounting Topcon lenses on the older models. |
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woodrim
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:04 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
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Well, actually, i have another deal, that's i can get 2 x 58mm 1.4 for cheap.
Should I buy 58 1.4 or 1.8, because people say 1.8 is sharper. |
Buy both 1.4 and sell one to me
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
Thank you, Attila, for the very kind words. You encourgae me.
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kyonthinh
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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kyonthinh wrote:
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Well, actually, i have another deal, that's i can get 2 x 58mm 1.4 for cheap.
Should I buy 58 1.4 or 1.8, because people say 1.8 is sharper. |
Buy both 1.4 and sell one to me |
Sound good, but it will take a while, because the seller live in my home country, and now i am half a world away.  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
have not had chance to use this lens much yet, hopefully these two wide open shots from today, on NEX5N, show a bit of it's qualities:
and one more stopped down ( I had shown already at landscape contest )
original sizes here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/sets/72157628579093559/with/8115997854/
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woodrim
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
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| woodrim wrote: |
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Well, actually, i have another deal, that's i can get 2 x 58mm 1.4 for cheap.
Should I buy 58 1.4 or 1.8, because people say 1.8 is sharper. |
Buy both 1.4 and sell one to me |
Sound good, but it will take a while, because the seller live in my home country, and now i am half a world away. |
I'll wait patiently.
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woodrim wrote:
And what are your impressions from your limited use?
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
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And what are your impressions from your limited use? |
what can I say? - very good!
very good colors, good contrast,
plenty sharp when stopped down!
wide open sharpness is not top though: had done a wide open sharpness comparison near to center. Auto Takumar f2/55, Super Takumar f1.8/55, S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50 - yes, also the f1.4 - and Pen-F f1.5/60 looked a bit sharper, MC Rokkor-PC f1.4/50 and Nikkor-S f1.4/50 both about same, but that's at f1.4 comparing to f1.8 of the Topcor
bokeh smooth, in my wide open samples just that little lively, looking very lovely
imo good for landscape and on APS-C very nice for portrait
edit: I just decided to show the results of my test, see: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1269285.html#1269285
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kyonthinh
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kyonthinh wrote:
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| I'll wait patiently. |
Do you know how much is a normal price for a Topcor 58 1.4 is? The bidding price, not insane buy it now price. |
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
Check ebay completed sales. They can go high if in very good condition and still high in user condition. More than I can pay.
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hifisapi wrote:
photos look good, especially the landscape shot. thanks for posting.
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patrickh wrote:
The 58/1.4 will often hit close to $300.
patrickh
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