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ulrikft
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 Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Leica 80 1.4, Zeiss 85 1.4 or nikon 85 1.4 AI-S |
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ulrikft wrote:
Hey!
Price/Performance wise, which of these would you guys recommend? Is the performance premium on the leica so good that I should consider it, or is the 85 1.4 AI-S more than good enough?
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LucisPictor
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I don't know these lenses "personally" (I know the new Zeiss 1.4/85 ZE, though), but from my experience with other lenses of the same brands, I think they do not differ too much performancewise, however, they differ a lot in their character.
The Leica has a cooler colour rendition, I guess, whereas the Zeiss is a 3D phenomenon and the Nikkor might render warmer colours (at least most of my Nikkors do).
Anyway, you will be very happy with each of these lenses!
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ulrikft
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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ulrikft wrote:
I just ordered the new leica-r to nikon-f adapter from leitax, so I would love to test out a leica. I have had a few zeiss-es (CZJ mainly), and those were really punchy, contrasty and had a very nice 3d-effect.
I think I would like the bokeh/punch of the zeiss best, on the other hand, naturfotograf.com rates the 85 1.4 AI-S very high on fullframe nikon bodies (I got a d700)...
Hard choices  It is not like I can just test them out in a store either 
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ChrisLilley
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ChrisLilley wrote:
Yes, the Nikkor 85mm f/1.4 AiS is very highly rated for portraiture at wide aperture, especially for smooth OOF backgrounds. Its often referred to as the 'cream machine' in discussions. The AF-D version is (unusually) slightly better optically.
The Zeiss ZF seems to have the typical features of higher central resolving power at the expense of busier, more intrusive backgrounds.
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Attila wrote:
I would took out ant from my monitor  
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Ballu
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ballu wrote:
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| I would took out ant from my monitor |
I have cleaned my monitor so many times... 
OK, back to Leicas, Nikkors...
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
I don't have much experience with Leica lenses I tested only two of them Leica-R 90mm f2.8 and Leica-R 4/100mm. I tested many Nikkors and many CZJ and some CZ lenses. Based on my experience my order is generally.
1) Carl Zeiss (Jena)
2) Nikkor
3) Leica
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huhging
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huhging wrote:
I've tried 90/2.0, 180/2.8, 100 Apo Macro, and 28/2.8 Latest version.
I find Leica lenses to have very smooth transition from in-fous to out-of-focus.
I'd love to have Leica 85/1.4 ... it's my dream portrait lens.
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huhging
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huhging wrote:
Then again, Planar T* 85/1.4 is not bad at all.
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Attila wrote:
One of the best 85mm SLR lens YES.
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huhging
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huhging wrote:
BTW, the second picture was shot through a window...
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Ballu
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Ballu wrote:
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| BTW, the second picture was shot through a window... |
And this picture clearly shows the weakness of Zeiss glass philosphy... "lot of, means... lot CA wide open".. third shot also shows this...
I think, this is somewhat related to Planar design. My CZ Planar 50/1.7 shows same weakness, although I love that lens... best lens in my arsenal...
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FotoPete
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FotoPete wrote:
Wow, I'm a bit surprised there is rather very little 'press' in regards to the Nikkor 85 1.4 AIS on this forum..
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Attila wrote:
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| Wow, I'm a bit surprised there is rather very little 'press' in regards to the Nikkor 85 1.4 AIS on this forum.. |
Not many people have it, I have also Zeiss Planar and didn't think to buy it except if bargain come and I can sell it after, bargain didn't come under 5 yrs it shows lens is rare and excellent.
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Hari wrote:
Question is - what's your budget and purpose?
If you're ok with 1000€ and the lens is for your hobby, go with the Summilux 80/1.4
If you're looking at 500€ and hobby, go with the c/y planar 85 1.4
If you're looking at 500€ and AF then go with the Nikkor 85/1.4 AF-D
Since you may have 1000€ if you were looking at the Leica, buy the Zeiss and Nikkor, see what you prefer and sell the other one
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Attila wrote:
| Hari wrote: |
Question is - what's your budget and purpose?
If you're ok with 1000€ and the lens is for your hobby, go with the Summilux 80/1.4
If you're looking at 500€ and hobby, go with the c/y planar 85 1.4
If you're looking at 500€ and AF then go with the Nikkor 85/1.4 AF-D
Since you may have 1000€ if you were looking at the Leica, buy the Zeiss and Nikkor, see what you prefer and sell the other one |
Wise advice, Nikon is rarer, sell quickly if you find Zeiss is better, with little discount Zeiss also sell fast due sought after lens.
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