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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: Three portrait lenses around 85mm |
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woodrim wrote:
I've wanted to make this comparison for a while, and although it is not comprehensive by far, it is one small comparison. I had started the test with four lenses, one being the Cyclop, but leave that out here because this series is comparing the first common aperture - f/2.8. I'll just post the images now and identify the lenses later after folks have had a chance to comment, although those that have seen my posts will have some idea of the lenses I have. These are 100% crops with no processing other than what the camera does internally. For the record, my exposure is set at -.3.
Lens A
Lens B
Lens C
_________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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ellepi
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 486 Location: Treviso - Italia
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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ellepi wrote:
I really don't know but I prefer the 3rd. _________________ M42 | Super Takumar 20/4, 28/3.5, 35/3.5, 55/1.8, 105/2.8, 135/3.5, 200/4 - Tair-11A - Helios-44M - Mir-1B
K | Pentax M40/2.8, K 55/2, A 50/1.7, M 50/1.7, M 135/3.5 - Jupiter 37-AM
Micro nikkor 60/2.8
Mamiya 645 | Sekor 24/4, 55/2.8, 80/2.8, 210/4
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I have no clue what the lenses are but I'll fight ellepi for No. 3 _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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maxcastle
Joined: 14 Apr 2012 Posts: 492
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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maxcastle wrote:
SonicScot wrote: |
I have no clue what the lenses are but I'll fight ellepi for No. 3 |
Thats fighting talk! _________________ my humble blog is
http://rolotomassi.blog.com/ |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
_________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
Number 3 reminds me of Minolta colours etc but I don't think you have one so I'll go for the Konica for that one |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
Also #3 for me _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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zenit55
Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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zenit55 wrote:
#3 looks best to me |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I can see I'm gonna have to fight a lot people for number 3
_________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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Excalibur
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5017 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
#3 for me too. _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
Many lenses from good to excellent. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
SonicScot wrote: |
I can see I'm gonna have to fight a lot people for number 3
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I'll go with #1 then _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
Samples from my lenses
My gear
My Flickr |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
I think I have a very good idea what the lenses are. #1 is the fastest, #3 is a clear winner for me, but that's not too surprising in this shot considering that it's a great macro (if I am not mistaken on lenses). The pecking order might change if one tries a portrait or a distant shot as a test target. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/96060788@N06/ |
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
The first one might be the Hexanon, due to hexagon shape
The last one might be the J9, still perfect circle.
There are different bokeh rending for different distances.
Shot 2 might have different result in other cases.
More photos from all 3? _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
hoanpham wrote: |
The first one might be the Hexanon, due to hexagon shape
The last one might be the J9, still perfect circle.
There are different bokeh rending for different distances.
Shot 2 might have different result in other cases.
More photos from all 3? |
I would guess that if one of them was made with J-9 that it would be #2, due slightly "russian colors"
Third seem to have very good coatings etc., so I guess #3 is a newer lens.
Can someone give a hint which lenses come into question? _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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agent_cooper
Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Posts: 139 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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agent_cooper wrote:
i prefer '3. But none is really in focus _________________
MF: Samyang 3.5/8mm Fisheye, Komine Vivitar 1.9/35mm, Komine Vivitar 2.8/90mm 1:1 macro
CCCP: Helios 44-4, Helios 40-2.
ZUIKO: 2.8/35mm, 1.8/50mm
ZEISS C/Y: 2.8/25 MM, 1.4/50 MM, 1.4/85 MM, 2.8/135 MM.
TILT&SHIFT:Canon 3.5/24mm TS, Arax 2.8/80mm TS.
AF: Canon 1.8/85mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/11-16mm, Tokina zoom 2.8/28-70mm Canon zoom 70-300mm.
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
ForenSeil wrote: |
Can someone give a hint which lenses come into question? |
You can just search recent woodrim's posts...
My guess is that #1 is Hexanon, #2 is a Jupiter. I thought that #3 is a Bokina, but now I have some doubts as woodrim called them "portrait" lenses. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:23 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Sorry to keep everyone hanging; I was out all day today. Well, there are some good guesses and fermy should not have second guessed as he had all correct. I said portrait more because of the focal length than any other intended purpose. hoanpham correctly identified the first as Hexanon 85/1.8, but fell down on the J-9. I do agree, hoanpham, that other shots are required for a fair comparison. ForenSeil recognized the J-9 by color tone - good work! And while he is also right about number 3 being newer, it certainly isn't new; after all, the J-9 is 1961.
agent_cooper: I was pretty confident that I had them in focus, but I will admit there was a breeze and I too have some doubt, so please consider this series as bokeh test.
I do believe I need to do this in different settings. For these I chose a busy background with plenty of specular highlights, but the next ones will be a more stable subject and at different distances. I could do some at wide open, but since they're all different, it may not prove much.
A- Konica Hehanon 85/1.8
B- Jupiter-9 85/2
C- Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 Macro (Bokina) Focal length is reported to be really 87mm. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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IAZA
Joined: 16 Apr 2010 Posts: 2587 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:11 am Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
hoanpham wrote: |
The first one might be the Hexanon, due to hexagon shape
The last one might be the J9, still perfect circle.
There are different bokeh rending for different distances.
Shot 2 might have different result in other cases.
More photos from all 3? |
I guessed the same about the 1rst, and I agree with agent cooper, 'coz Hexanon at f2,8 is really sharp (at least my copy) _________________ nex5, Olympus EPM1, yashica half 14, Canon eos 650 want to see samples of mine? please click My lenses
and My gallery
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:28 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Funny about the Jupiter-9 bokeh.
I went through all photos taken by the J9, and found my bokeh is quite soft, none of my photos look like yours.
I had both close range and portrait distances.
The Hexanon is sharp too, but the Vivitar is very good. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Bokeh is just so dependent on distance to subject, distance behind subject, etc. I'll do more of this and also make sure I have a perfect focus. _________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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Nordentro
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 4713 Location: Lillehammer, Norway
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Nordentro wrote:
agent_cooper wrote: |
i prefer '3. But none is really in focus |
+1 _________________ Lars | Manuellfokus.no |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Nice result from the Vivitar and that's about what I expect from the J9; it's a good lens but I've never seen anything I'd consider sharp from it. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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ForenSeil
Joined: 15 Apr 2011 Posts: 2726 Location: Kiel, Germany.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:14 am Post subject: |
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ForenSeil wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
Nice result from the Vivitar and that's about what I expect from the J9; it's a good lens but I've never seen anything I'd consider sharp from it. |
Don't forget these are 100% crops. Sharpness is inferior but usable for normal usage. My personally biggest issue with the J-9 is not the sharpness (at least not stopped down) but the very poor colors I know well also from other russian lenses of that generation.
I wonder if the last batches of J-9/J-8 have better colors due better coatings? _________________ I'm not a collector, I'm a tester
My camera: Sony A7+Zeiss Sonnar 55/1.8
Current favourite lenses (I have many more):
A few macro-Tominons, Samyang 12/2.8, Noritsu 50.7/9.5, Rodagon 105/5.6 on bellows, Samyang 135/2, Nikon ED 180/2.8, Leitz Elmar-R 250/4, Celestron C8 2000mm F10
Most wanted: Samyang 24/1.4, Samyang 35/1.4, Nikon 200/2 ED
My Blog: http://picturechemistry.own-blog.com/
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 1974
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:46 am Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Well, maybe on film there are issues with J-9 colors, on digital I am quite happy with them. I acquired J-9 ( Black, Contax RF, made in 82) quite recently, so I am still learning it. My observation is that it's not the sharpest lens at large apertures and will probably lose on resolution charts to most good Japanese 85mm. However, it is a completely different animal for portraiture: very nice smooth rendering, not too sharp and not too soft, just right for portraits. Perhaps colors are also optimized for skin tones.
What I definitely don't like about it is an aperture ring and filter thread rotating on focusing. _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
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hoanpham
Joined: 31 Jan 2011 Posts: 2575
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
I read that russian lenses have mixed quality. My copy is ok. Sharp enough for my uses.
One thing that can affect the focus is few 1/10mm focus play; it's not precise as japanese or zeiss.
Close range should not affect the focus, but a bit longer range than portraits would result in misfocus due to that minor movement in the helicoid.
Anyway, I am looking forward to see more samples. _________________ La migliore cura di LBA � imparare una nuova lingua. Le meilleur rem�de de LBA est d'apprendre une nouvelle langue. La mejor cura del LBA es aprender una nueva lengua. |
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