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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: I've shot my first picture with the YashicaMat |
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Jesito wrote:
Wow, I'm excited.
Never handled a YashicaMat before, I've been carefully following the manual. The roll loaded properly, gently winding the crank until heard the click and the shot was ready. F16sunshine rule tells me to set 1/125 and F16. The film is Fuji Reala 100.
I go out to the balconry of my flat, where my reference object is (an small plant). Looking through the viewer with the focusing lens down is gorgeous. The red crossing lines help a lot on composing and not to bow. Pressing the shutter from frontwards to backwards avoids any bowing...
The almost silent click, and voilŕ!, my first picture is shot.
It's very exciting. Nothing similar to this...
Why the TLRs have become obsolete?. I think they are the best in ergonomy... We should ask for a digital TLR equivalent
Jes.
(So excited). _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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bob955i
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
http://www.rollei.jp/e/pd/MiniD.html |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: I've shot my first picture with the YashicaMat |
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peterqd wrote:
Jesito wrote: |
The almost silent click, and voilŕ!, my first picture is shot.
It's very exciting. Nothing similar to this... |
Jes, you have a beautiful way of using simple words. These are my feelings about this camera too, but I needed you to say them! _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
From the gentle winding, to the sound of the shutter (a quiet sort of "snick" sound), the Yashica seems to imbibe a sense of quiet imagery. And, to repeat myself from earlier posts -- it's like looking down into a window on the world that is detached from true reality. And that gives a whole different perspective to the act of creating the image. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
bob955i wrote: |
http://www.rollei.jp/e/pd/MiniD.html |
Nice miniature, Bob.
Thanks for the link!.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: I've shot my first picture with the YashicaMat |
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Jesito wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Jesito wrote: |
The almost silent click, and voilŕ!, my first picture is shot.
It's very exciting. Nothing similar to this... |
Jes, you have a beautiful way of using simple words. These are my feelings about this camera too, but I needed you to say them! |
Thanks, Peter.
(I'm afraid that my simple words come from my lack of vocabulary ).
Start shooting with the YashicaMat has been the most rewarding photographic experience in years...
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
From the gentle winding, to the sound of the shutter (a quiet sort of "snick" sound), the Yashica seems to imbibe a sense of quiet imagery. And, to repeat myself from earlier posts -- it's like looking down into a window on the world that is detached from true reality. And that gives a whole different perspective to the act of creating the image. |
Fully agree. Looking through the vertical viewer at my plant gave me a new feeling. It was like seeing the final picture. Something very special.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject: Re: I've shot my first picture with the YashicaMat |
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peterqd wrote:
Jesito wrote: |
I'm afraid that my simple words come from my lack of vocabulary
Start shooting with the YashicaMat has been the most rewarding photographic experience in years...
Jes. |
You know I didn't mean it that way!
When you have an SLR up to your eye it's quite similar to aiming and shooting with a gun. When you're holding the TLR, looking down on the screen and hearing that little click, you really get the feeling you are collecting something valuable and storing it in the box. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: I've shot my first picture with the YashicaMat |
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Jesito wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
Jesito wrote: |
I'm afraid that my simple words come from my lack of vocabulary
Start shooting with the YashicaMat has been the most rewarding photographic experience in years...
Jes. |
You know I didn't mean it that way!
When you have an SLR up to your eye it's quite similar to aiming and shooting with a gun. When you're holding the TLR, looking down on the screen and hearing that little click, you really get the feeling you are collecting something valuable and storing it in the box. |
Peter, I was joking, you know
It is as you and Larry describe. It's like if the images were going out of the landscape and suddenly appearing on the viewer, out of context. One can concentrate in the composition without being disturbed by the surrounding activity. I never thought that I could feel such an emotion just by looking through a camera viewer...
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Jes wrote: It is as you and Larry describe. It's like if the images were going out of the landscape and suddenly appearing on the viewer, out of context. One can concentrate in the composition without being disturbed by the surrounding activity. I never thought that I could feel such an emotion just by looking through a camera viewer...
And, to me, the Yashica has allowed me to improve my compositions. Another repeated phrase: the "backward" composition takes my mind right into the balance of the scene before me; sometimes artists look at their canvas in the mirror to detach themselves from the subject.
I think that looking down into a viewfinder on any camera with such a similar viewfinder, give this wonderful "canvas" feeling.
I have taken quite a few images with the Yashica and at the same time with the old Canon AE-1, when I had both of them at the same time. I was AMAZED at the difference! It's sort of like the Canon "took" the image, but that the Yashica "created" the image.
The final impetus for me favoring the waist level finder, was the square format - it evolves into a different way of thinking about the image. I think that "act" of filling the square with balanced mass tends to improve the compositional feedback.
On some of my old Yashica images I have gone back to an image that didn't quite "feel right", and cropped it to a more rectangular shape, and it jumped out as an improved composition. So, that is yet another benefit - the benefit of being able to sometimes crop to improve an image without losing a lot of area/size of the original negative or transparency. The 58x58mm size is already of tremendous size compared to the 24x36mm film. So, cutting it down a bit does not seriously degrade the ability to enlarge.
I also tend to use the grid pattern, especially in simplified graphical images. Case in point was the image of the tidepools in the surf bedrock. I could not see much because of the darkness, but I was able to place the main pool of light into the Golden Means part of the image by using the grid intersection at "2 lines up and 2 lines in" from the right bottom of the frame, and knew that it would probably be balanced. And sure enough, I think it WAS balanced with the dark rock massiveness of the rest of the image. Also, the grid enables me to precisely ascertain a level horizon in many cases. In turn, this produced added intensity in the tide pools' graphic signatures.
Then, the magnification tool in the finder is absolutely terrific. It brings me even farther "into" the scene, and I use it all the time because it constantly takes my breath away to be able to "jump" into the scene.
Since I'm spouting all these reverences, let me also say that the position of being able to stand straight and look down into a camera that I am holding in a natural position with both hands, adds yet another factor to the comfort of creating an image. Also, for low-angle shots, I don't have to lay down on my stomach. This is a huge factor for imaging flowers in a meadow (for instance).
I have taken two shots that turned out nicely (to me) by holding the camera upside down and raising it up and over a log, and looking up to the view that is down and beyond the log! It works extremely well for that kind of situation. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:02 am Post subject: |
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rick_oleson wrote:
Ditto to all of the above. There is something about the reversed, waist level viewfinder that is totally different from any eye level system. It's as if you were viewing the image on an editing table, you're not just looking through a hole in the camera at your subject. As a result, you take more time, your composition is more thoughtful and your results are better. If your subjects permit the time it takes, there is nothing that can beat a good TLR ... not for 'taking pictures', but for creating photographs.
I've been on kind of a TLR binge lately: since October or November, I've bought two Rolleiflexes, one Zeiss Ikoflex, one Flexaret and one DeJur Reflex. In all, at the moment I have 14 TLRs... unless there are one or two others that are slipping my mind..... _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
rick_oleson wrote: |
Ditto to all of the above. There is something about the reversed, waist level viewfinder that is totally different from any eye level system. It's as if you were viewing the image on an editing table, you're not just looking through a hole in the camera at your subject. As a result, you take more time, your composition is more thoughtful and your results are better. If your subjects permit the time it takes, there is nothing that can beat a good TLR ... not for 'taking pictures', but for creating photographs. |
How about a 35mm SLR with a waist level viewfinder? e.g. an Exa 1a, fully mechanical, with a non-returning mirror, often available with a lens for less than the lens alone. Just got me thinking...
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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rick_oleson
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 386 Location: Lexington Kentucky USA
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rick_oleson wrote:
The problem with those is that the finder is so tiny that you can't compose on it the same way... you have to flip up the magnifier and stuff your eye into it just to see what the image is. You do get the benefit of being slowed down and forced to concentrate on what you're doing, but it is not at all the same.
For me, even a medium format SLR with a waist level finder doesn't do it as well as a TLR. I have no explanation for why that would be, maybe the different shape of the cameras or something. _________________ I don't know what I want to be when I grow up |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
vilva wrote: |
How about a 35mm SLR with a waist level viewfinder? e.g. an Exa 1a, fully mechanical, with a non-returning mirror, often available with a lens for less than the lens alone. Just got me thinking...
Veijo |
Veijo, it's like if you have read my mind. An Exa 1a is in the way home... The fact that the Exas have the shutter trigger in the front side and the waist level viewfinder (in the EXA 1a) drove me to get one... to get some of the benefits of the Yashicamat to the SLRs.
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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vilva wrote:
rick_oleson wrote: |
The problem with those is that the finder is so tiny that you can't compose on it the same way... |
Well, it is tiny compared to the finder of a TLR but immense compared to the waist level finders on some of the old medium format folder cameras - composing with one of those almost requires the gift of clairvoyance
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For me, even a medium format SLR with a waist level finder doesn't do it as well as a TLR. I have no explanation for why that would be, maybe the different shape of the cameras or something. |
It is probably a combination of many factors, shape, balance, even just knowing that there wont be even a momentary blacking out of the view, no slap of the mirror, almost no sound at all. Of course, even a TLR can have many facets. I used to shoot quite a lot with a Rolleiflex TLR and used all the four viewfinder alternatives, waist level, magnifier, eye level via the secondary mirror and just the sports finder or even a combination of the last two, and it was almost like using four (or five) different cameras.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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