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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:16 am Post subject: Fujian 80mm F1.0! |
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kievuser wrote:
Hello lens fans,
As you know that I am interested in rare Chinese lenses so that I picked this one up that no one seems interested in at last week's camera fair in Beijing for a very high price. Don't ask me what it is for, and nither for an image with it as I don't know how to use it, and it is very heavy at more than 3 kilogrames!
It has a 78mm thread mount, and a front diameter of 118mm. It focus from 5 meters to infinate, and an aperture from F1 down to F16.
I know that Nikon has a 85mmm F1.0 reproduction lens. But that lens is much smaller and lighter without a focusing ring. This lens has 12 aperture blades, and appears well made and finished. It could have a similar application as that of the Nikon 85mm F1.0 lens, and I checked its image with a ground glass. It has very short focual plane, and the image seems very crisp.
The s/n of 77202 indicates that it was made in 1977, but I doubt if more than 200 lenses were made in 1977 alone? Could lens experts out there share with us your knowleadge about these type of lenses?
Cheers
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SVP
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 665 Location: Greece
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:20 am Post subject: |
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SVP wrote:
Very rare indeed! And quite interesting as well... |
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3438 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
What a giant lens! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Fujian 80mm F1.0! |
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kansalliskala wrote:
kievuser wrote: |
It has very short focual plane, and the image seems very crisp. |
How big image circle? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:00 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
Interesting find, what mount is it and have you used it yet? _________________ Gary
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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Fujian 80mm F1.0! |
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kievuser wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
kievuser wrote: |
It has very short focual plane, and the image seems very crisp. |
How big image circle? |
It seems it covers full 35mm frame. |
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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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kievuser wrote:
SonicScot wrote: |
Interesting find, what mount is it and have you used it yet? |
It has a screw mount of 78mm in diameter. It has a very short focul plane of about 20mm so that I can't use it now. |
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kievuser
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: |
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kievuser wrote:
If any lens experts out there think it is a copy of something, please let me know its original and its application. Thanks. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
Wow! It looks like a very nice lens. Why there isn't such a camera fair in Guandong area? _________________ https://lensfever.com/
https://www.instagram.com/_lens_fever/
The best lens is the one you have with you. |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Fujian 80mm F1.0! |
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kansalliskala wrote:
kievuser wrote: |
kansalliskala wrote: |
kievuser wrote: |
It has very short focual plane, and the image seems very crisp. |
How big image circle? |
It seems it covers full 35mm frame. |
movie lens? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Fujian 80mm F1.0! |
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kievuser wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
kievuser wrote: |
kansalliskala wrote: |
kievuser wrote: |
It has very short focual plane, and the image seems very crisp. |
How big image circle? |
It seems it covers full 35mm frame. |
movie lens? |
That is what the seller claimed, but I am not so sure. I have seen images of Chinese Arri standard mount cine prime 85mm T1.4 that is much smaller and focuses much closer. Here is rear view of the lens FYI. Its front lens cap is also unique. |
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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:20 am Post subject: |
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kievuser wrote:
calvin83 wrote: |
Wow! It looks like a very nice lens. Why there isn't such a camera fair in Guandong area? |
Guangdong is much closer to Fujian. The camera fair is held twice a year. Someone picked up a 'Five Goats' TLR that was made in Guangzhou. |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:44 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Low flying aerial photo?
Maybe not 5 meters anyhow. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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kievuser wrote:
Another interesting find! A guy published images of a Fujian made 52mm F1.0 lens on a Chinesse forum. Now I began to think that these super fast lenses have a similar application as that of Nikon 85/1.0 1:1 reproduction lens. Does someone know why these lenses are needed?
This 52mm F1.0 lens focuses down to 0.7 meter, and it has a thread mount of 65x1mm.
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16631 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Hmm, the focusing to infinity makes me wonder....However the short back focusing brings image amplification up, so it might have been a lens for low light (i.e. night) applications using an image amplifier as that usually is mounted directly onto such lens. Also the relatively large mount diameter would be an indication for that. Certainly not an Xray lens, as infinity focus would make no sense then. The iris could have been used to control DOF as well as to control the amount of light entering the amplifier. So in simple words, was made for observation, military or intelligence use. Closest focus 5 meters for a 80mm lens also speaks for that...
GOI in Russia made similar lenses for similar use btw.
Just guessing... _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
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Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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kievuser
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 551
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:13 am Post subject: |
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kievuser wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
Hmm, the focusing to infinity makes me wonder....However the short back focusing brings image amplification up, so it might have been a lens for low light (i.e. night) applications using an image amplifier as that usually is mounted directly onto such lens. Also the relatively large mount diameter would be an indication for that. Certainly not an Xray lens, as infinity focus would make no sense then. The iris could have been used to control DOF as well as to control the amount of light entering the amplifier. So in simple words, was made for observation, military or intelligence use. Closest focus 5 meters for a 80mm lens also speaks for that...
GOI in Russia made similar lenses for similar use btw.
Just guessing... |
Many thanks for your kind reply! Although not 100% convinced, your educated guessing could be very close to truth. My only doubt comes from the DF 1:1 inscription on the 52mm F1.0 lens. I assume these two lenses might have similar applications. |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5038 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:49 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
kds315* wrote: |
applications using an image amplifier as that usually is mounted directly onto such lens. Also the relatively large mount diameter would be an indication for that. |
Doesn't that make the amplifier itself huge, not handheld anyways? If it is built into a tank or some other vehicle, then I understand.
So it is a night vision military surveillance / propaganda film camera lens?
edit: I can actually see the purpose of that in 1977. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16631 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
kievuser wrote: |
kds315* wrote: |
Hmm, the focusing to infinity makes me wonder....However the short back focusing brings image amplification up, so it might have been a lens for low light (i.e. night) applications using an image amplifier as that usually is mounted directly onto such lens. Also the relatively large mount diameter would be an indication for that. Certainly not an Xray lens, as infinity focus would make no sense then. The iris could have been used to control DOF as well as to control the amount of light entering the amplifier. So in simple words, was made for observation, military or intelligence use. Closest focus 5 meters for a 80mm lens also speaks for that...
GOI in Russia made similar lenses for similar use btw.
Just guessing... |
Many thanks for your kind reply! Although not 100% convinced, your educated guessing could be very close to truth. My only doubt comes from the DF 1:1 inscription on the 52mm F1.0 lens. I assume these two lenses might have similar applications. |
Well, the intensifiers I had in mind had 40mm useful image diameter and a outer diameter of 70mm.
But of course, it could all be bogus and it was used for something completely different... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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2infinity
Joined: 28 Jun 2012 Posts: 11 Location: Warrington, UK
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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2infinity wrote:
But, do image intensifier lenses have F-stops?
This Zenit 100mm f/1.5 doesn't seem to:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290767209030?orig_cvip=true
Nor this Zenit 160mm f/1.3:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290729413539?orig_cvip=true
There's a massive list of mounts here but it doesn't seem to correspond with any of them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount |
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