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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject: Is this lens sharp? Reply with quote

Here is a full size image from a 16mp APS-C. The photograph isn't anything special, just a sample picture. How would you rate the sharpness of the lens?


PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my monitor, it is sharp but not very sharp, certainly sharp enough though, 7 out of 10 I think.

Looks like running it through a good sharpener like NIK Software's would make a sizeable improvement,


PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The full sized version is certainly sharp enough to demonstrate the inadequacies of the resizing software used by the server. Both the full-screen version (1650 x 1097 on my monitor) and the small version, included in the post, show distinct resizing artefacts.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharpness isn't too bad, there are some jpg compression artifacts that will mask the real sharpness available in the raw, as seen in the "NO BOAT DOCKING" sign.


PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
Sharpness isn't too bad, there are some jpg compression artifacts that will mask the real sharpness available in the raw, as seen in the "NO BOAT DOCKING" sign.

+1 I don't understand how a 4Mpixels pic can show so many artifacts


PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poilu wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
Sharpness isn't too bad, there are some jpg compression artifacts that will mask the real sharpness available in the raw, as seen in the "NO BOAT DOCKING" sign.

+1 I don't understand how a 4Mpixels pic can show so many artifacts


Really? That bad? I should have sent this before post processing. It was taken as jpeg; I'm not doing raw at this point. I'm just getting to know my new NEX-5N and a few lenses I couldn't use until now. I'm having some trouble seeing the LCD screen well enough to focus - this is all aside from any image issues. I'm going to try the hood with loupe in hopes of being better able to see well enough to focus. I've been relying on focus peaking, but at times can't even see that well enough.

Anyway, when the last of my adapters arrive, I'll be taking a series of photos (assuming I can also focus accurately) with several lenses of similar focal length. I've got three around 85mm, including a Jupiter that arrive today, two 100mm, and two 105mm. The above image was with my Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5 Macro (Bokina). It's strength is obviously at short distance, but I'm finding it quite competent at medium and infinity - better than I expected. Most surprising so far is the apparent lack of CA. My Series 1 lenses are tack sharp, but I must deal with CA. This one doesn't seem to have it. I wonder also if the NEX sensor might handle it much better than my A200.

Here are a few other initial shots with the 90/2.5...








PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Is this lens sharp? Reply with quote

woodrim wrote:
Here is a full size image from a 16mp APS-C. The photograph isn't anything special, just a sample picture. How would you rate the sharpness of the lens?
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Well, I think it looks quite good. I would rate sharpness as 8 of 10 Wink

I struggle to see jpeg artefacts, but I see some color noise in the water.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks fine on my apple screen but someones nicked the birds head lol


PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tervueren wrote:
Looks fine on my apple screen but someones nicked the birds head lol


Or the question might be: will a headless owl keep seagulls and pelicans from gathering and soiling the dock? Apparently yes.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poilu wrote:
Lightshow wrote:
Sharpness isn't too bad, there are some jpg compression artifacts that will mask the real sharpness available in the raw, as seen in the "NO BOAT DOCKING" sign.

+1 I don't understand how a 4Mpixels pic can show so many artifacts

Clicking the image brings up a 16mp image.
The problem with jpg's is that strait out of camera there will be some compression and the resulting artifacts, then just opening the image and then saving it with no changes results in a degraded image because it will be re-compressed as it saves the image to jpg.
Another thing, jpg's SOOC will always look the same, where as RAW's will get better as RAW developing programs(like Adobe RAW) release newer versions, then all you have to do is reprocess the RAW to gain the benefits(better color & noise).

Woodrim, the lens looks quite good, taking more shots side by side with a good lens with it will help you to quantify it's sharpness.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Is this lens sharp? Reply with quote

woodrim wrote:
Here is a full size image from a 16mp APS-C. The photograph isn't anything special, just a sample picture. How would you rate the sharpness of the lens?

I never liked OOC JPG for lens resolution tests mainly where the system usually ads a certain measure of sharpening anyways. That being said, judging by the image characteristics, I'd say the image is above average from a PP stand-point. ie. I ran it through Focal Blade and found it to be more than enough for full size prints.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightshow wrote:
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+1 I don't understand how a 4Mpixels pic can show so many artifacts

Clicking the image brings up a 16mp image

my typo, I was meaning compressed to a 4mbytes file ( and not 4mpixels )
for a test, I compressed a 5DII file to 4Mb (quality 65) and I could not see artifacts
of course, I agree that raw is the way to go


PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the original picture had been sharpened and that was causing a light fringe on the straight lines, but I bow to more knowledgeable people if they are telling me it is resizing artefacts.


PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skida wrote:
I thought the original picture had been sharpened and that was causing a light fringe on the straight lines, but I bow to more knowledgeable people if they are telling me it is resizing artefacts.

Me too. Has the picture been sharpened? If not in PP then maybe in-camera?


PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I suppose all are right to some degree. The picture was out of the camera jpeg, then mildly sharpened. I will take another after checking setting in the camera - I've started taking pictures before going through everything in camera. Perhaps I'll start with a raw, but I haven't much expertise in processing raw. To do a fair job of this, I will wait for the viewfinder hood I ordered; it has a +2.75 diopter which I'm hoping will solve my up close eyesight problem.


PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aside from the jpeg issues, I'm coming to the conclusion that this lens does live up to its reputation. I'm learning more about this new NEX, so the future will be more successful for my images. I've discovered that so far all of my lenses go past infinity with these adapters. That's actually preferable to me since otherwise it could stop short, providing for less than optimum sharpness, and I wouldn't necessarily know. I learned today how to use the zoom feature for detail focusing. I still won't be able to see well enough outdoors until the hood arrives, but I was able to focus very accurately today indoors.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to give this lens a better workout on the NEX-5N and now have a much better appreciation. The lens is known for its resolution in macro, but it can also perform in regular use. However, as a landscape lens - anything at infinity - it isn't quite as good as my better mid range lenses, but is still quite respectable. At medium distances, what you would do at portrait length or across the room, it excels with excellent sharpness. I gave it a go yesterday at the creek along with the Series 1 200mm reported in another thread.

This lens, as well as the 200mm, gets little attention in the forum. Perhaps it's because of the cost; these do get a premium and probably more than they should, but they are also not as available as other lenses in the focal length. But when it comes to versatility, this will give you macro, portrait, and whatever else with very good results. I caution using it as a portrait lens for women.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More seagulls !

Well done. Yes it does look more than sharp enough.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

#5 is outstanding
I believe the lens can do both macro and portrait, and landsape too Wink