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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
In the 80's, the argentines consumers knew Hoya and Makinon lenses. The first with good reputation and Makinon in different way.
Anyone with experiense in wide angle makinon?
Thanks.
Rino.
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Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Only Makinons I've had were zooms, not good ones either.
In wide angles, the Hoya HMC 2.8/28 is excellent, same lens as the Tokina RMC 2.8/28. The Hoya HMC/Tokina RMC 2.8/24 is excellent too. They are both cheap, the 28 is very common, the 24 is quite hard to find.
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DigiChromeEd
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
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Only Makinons I've had were zooms, not good ones either.
In wide angles, the Hoya HMC 2.8/28 is excellent, same lens as the Tokina RMC 2.8/28. The Hoya HMC/Tokina RMC 2.8/24 is excellent too. They are both cheap, the 28 is very common, the 24 is quite hard to find. |
I'm glad to hear your confirmation that the Hoya and Tokina are the same lens. I've been looking for the Tokina RMC 2.8/24 for a while now and recently bought this Hoya instead!
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Thank you iangreenhalgh1.
I read somewhere that the hoya 28/2,8 is in the same level than rokkor one.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I had that 24mm Eddie, really good lens, I only sold it because I never used it due to have the even better Konica Hexanon 2.8/24.
I have a Minolta Rokkor-SG 3.5/28 and it's a really good lens, better than all other 28mms I have tried apart from the Konica 3.5/28.
The Hoya/Tokina 2.8/28 is not far behind, I'd rank it as highly as the Pentacon 2.8/28 and Yashica ML 2.8/28, better than the Canon FD 2.8/28.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
In 28 mm lenses, the common 7/7 formula is better than the 5/5 one.
on that way, the older SG roklor are netter than the newer md 28/2,8.
The old 28/3,5 hexanon is more sharp than the latest 5/5 elements lens.
the hexanon 24/2,8 is very good lens, only a bit prone to flare. With my copy i had to use an original shade (very nice metal hood made for the 254 and 28the lenses).
Rino.[/i]
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I agree, the Hexanon 3.5/28 I have is the old 7 elements one, as is the Rokkor.
I have the Hexar 3.5/28 with 5 elements and it is good, but not as good as the Hexanon and Rokkor.
I have the first version of the Hexanon 2.8/24, I haven't had any flare issues with it, but it is rare to have very bright sunlight here in England 
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Excalibur wrote:
My Makinon about 35-70 although well engineered was optically crap, the 28mm f2.8 I have is quite good and took it to Spain once and the results were good.........but do have a bit sharper 28mms.
Makinon 28mm f2.8 on film from low supermarket original scan.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Thanks Excalibur.
Good contrast. Enough sharp to me. Nice pic.
Good lens.
Rino
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I had a Tokina 24mm and it was really rubbish. Probably a dodgy copy.
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SonicScot wrote:
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| I had a Tokina 24mm and it was really rubbish. Probably a dodgy copy. |
The 28mm version I had was rubbish too, sold it last month. Haven't found a replacement yet.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I've had two Hoya HMC 2.8/28s and three Tokina RMC 2.8/28s, all five were very good, although two of the Tokinas were a bit lower in contrast, they were a bit older, so I expect they had different coatings.
I only had one copy of the Hoya 2.8/24 and it was a belter, wish I could have kept it but I sold it for a sizable profit to find buying something else I needed more.
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I just found a Tokina RMC 2.8/28 in M42 I'd forgotten about. It has a fine coating of fungus in the rear group. If anyone wants it, you can have it for the postage.
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SonicScot wrote:
| iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
| I just found a Tokina RMC 2.8/28 in M42 I'd forgotten about. It has a fine coating of fungus in the rear group. If anyone wants it, you can have it for the postage. |
I'll take it 
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Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
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SonicScot wrote:
Perhaps the fungus will clean up, the lens has to be better than the one I used to have.
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Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
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diddy wrote:
I had both the Hoya 24mm and 28mm. Solid construction and sharp enough, but they both lack in contrast, that's why I sold them. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Drop me a PM Gary if you want it.
I never had any contrast issues with the Hoyas on my NEX-3, I found them to have really good coatings.
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I got the Hoya 24 2.8 with the OM1 a few weeks ago, it looks like a nicely built lens, and the very few pictures - maybe 4 - I took on the first roll through the OM1 look very good. It's a lens I want to keep and use some more.
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probe rok wrote:
here's some video of a 28mm makinon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdNgczUuFDA
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