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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: 1.4 50mm lens for EOS 450D |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Hi folks
I just bought a 450D and have a hankering for a fast 50 for it. I have two superb 1.4/50s - Konica Hexanon and Miranda Auto, but neither can be adapted to an EOS.
So I'm just wondering of the 1.4/50s that will fit an EOS, what do folks recommend? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Oh, forgot to say, wide open performance and bokeh are the priorities. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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DigiChromeEd
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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DigiChromeEd wrote:
SMC Takumar 1.4/50 and Olympus OM 1.4/50. _________________ "I've got a Nikon camera, I like to take a photograph" - Paul Simon |
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poilu
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:49 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
congrats for your 450D !
many mf lens are compatible with the canon and most say they don't see differences between them
take also a canon 50:1.8, very sharp and auto focus when needed _________________ T* |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Takumar is one I thought about, how successful is UV treatment of a yellowed one?
The OM 1.4/50 is one that I am strongly considering.
I definitely want a Canon AF 1.8/50, but having played with the MkII version a friend has (his third copy in 2 years) I want a MkI, I would be scared the MkII would break on me or shatter if I dropped it, the MkI is somewhat stronger built I read, and the metal mount appeals to me too.
For this same flimsy build quality, I'm scared off the 18-55 IS, which I read is good optically (I had two copies of the mkI and those sucked).
I would hate to be shooting a paid job and have a plastic lens break on me, those types of screw-ups can be costly.
I bought the old 1980s Canon EF 28-70 3.5-4.5 because it's got decent build quality, metal mount and on APS-C where the edges are not seen, photozone.de say it's very close to the L 28-70 2.8 in performance. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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hoanpham
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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hoanpham wrote:
Mamiya sekor 55/1.4 m42
First thing when i got a cheap 400d is install a focus screen and get an m42 adapter.
When you bump into OM lenses, the 55/1.2 is superb too. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I nearly bought the Mamiya the other day. Having owned an EOS digital before, the first thing I did was order a focus screen Got some EOS-M42 adapters here left over from my EOS days, I sold my others though, I had loads, C/Y, OM, QBM, PK etc. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
hoanpham wrote: |
Mamiya sekor 55/1.4 m42
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Yes!
DigiChromeEd wrote: |
SMC Takumar 1.4/50 and Olympus OM 1.4/50. |
Yes!
And the Nikkor 1.4/50. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Is the Mamiya the Tomioka and also seen as a Yashinon and others? (I know, that bloody 'everythings a Tomioka' debate again
Aah, the Nikkor 1.4/50, there's loads of versions, I read the thread about them, Vilhelm gave lots of info, but can someone boil it down for me, are the various Nikkor 1.4/50s really significantly different in IQ or are they all good? _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
EBC Fujinon 50/1.4 together with the others mentioned.
My favorite 50/1.4 (among the ones I tried) though, is minolta MC Rokkor PG, but I don't know if it's adaptable to Canon.
I always see beautiful pics from the "tomioka" 55/1.4's that comes under different brands, but I never owned one, so it's just to say.
Also, Takumar and Fujinon 55/1.8 are really great for their usual price, but not 1.4 _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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fatdeeman
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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fatdeeman wrote:
It always amazes how fast some people manage to go through copies of the canon nifty fifty, I know it's cheap but I've had the same one for nearly 8 years and it's still going strong and I haven't treated it with special care. I wonder if some people are just heavy handed? _________________ - Dave
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DSLR: Canon EOS 60D, Samsung GX-1S (Pentax *ist DS2)
Mirrorless: Panasonic DMC-G1, Sony NEX-5N
Compact: Canon PowerShot G3
Lenses:
Wide: Tokina RMC 28mm F/2.8, Tamron Adaptall 2 28mm F/2.5, Sun Optical 28mm F/2.5, Super paragon 28mm F/2.8, Sigma filtermatic 24mm F/2.8, Fujinon 35mm F/2.8, Sun Optical 35mm F/2.8
Standard: Industar 50-2, Helios 44-2, Helios 44M, Helios 44M-3, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.4, Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7, Pentax-M 50mm F/2, Ricoh 50mm F/1.7, Chinon 50mm F/1.7
Tele: Pentacon 135mm F/2.8, Pentacon 200mm F/3.5, Optomax 200mm f/3.5, Sun Optical 135mm F/3.5, Soligor 350mm F/5.6
Zoom: Tokina 28-70mm f/3.5-4.5 SZ-X270 SD, Sigma Zoom Pi 35-200mm F4-5.6, Sun Optical 28-80mm F/3.5-4.5, Sunagor 80-205mm F/3.8, Tokina RMC 80-200mm F/4, Vivitar 70-150mm F/3.8, Tamron 95-205mm F/6.3, Tamron Adaptall 28-200mm F/3.8-5.6 LD Aspherical, Tokina RMC 70-210mm F/3.5
Mirror: Falcon (Samyang) 800mm F/8, MTO-11CA 1000mm F/10, Tamron Adaptall 2 500mm F/8
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Didn't know there was a Fujinon 1.4/50, I have the EBC DM X-Fujinon 1.6/50 and it's crap wide open, really bad CA and not sharp on my NEX, but nice on BW film. I had the non-EBC X-Fujinon 1.6/55 and that was better, had nice dimensionality and sharpness wide open.
The Rokkor 1.4/50 is one that I would like to own and it's common and cheap, but converting it would make it not cheap, sadly. The Canon FD 1.4/50 is common and cheap too but same issue, and the copy I had was crap wide open, maybe I had an unlucky lemon>
I definitely don't need any more 1.8/50s, I have several that can fit the EOS, including the Pancolar which I really like. I have three or four copies of the Petri CC Auto 1.8/55 too and I strongly suspect it's pretty much identical to the Fujinon and Takumar, excellent lens. I keep meaning to convert one of them to EOS, I converted the first copy I had but sadly sold it after I sold my old EOS 10D.
Which version of the EF 1.8/50 do you have Dave? The MkIIs my friend had were incredibly flimsy, one developed so much play in the barrel that it wobbled about when it AFed, another the lugs sheared off the mount and the third is going wobbly too. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it!
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Well, I've seen someone drop a Canon EF 50/1.4 with a metal mount and that smashed to pieces as well. I think the key is not to drop your lenses
The Takumar and Planar are both sharpish wide open, the 55/1.4 Super Reflecta and Yashica 55/1.4 both had lots of coma wide open, giving a soft look. The Yashica ML was quite soft wide open too. I have an old Nikkor 50/1.4 (pre-ai) which is pretty decent. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I've discounted the Planar, horrible bokeh, and out of my budget.
I'm just used to lenses like the Helios 44-2, Biotar 2.58 and Pancolar that are all metal and built to last, so the plastic EF 1.8/50 just doesn't appeal, it's so flimsy. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
I've discounted the Planar, horrible bokeh, and out of my budget.
I'm just used to lenses like the Helios 44-2.[snip] |
Haha so you dislike the Planar bokeh but use a Helios 44-2?
I reckon your best bet is a Super / S-M-C / SMC Takumar 50/1.4 then They're generally pretty sharp, although mine wouldn't work on my 5D, it was fine on crop. I guess the easiest way to find a bargain is to find a Spotty with one attached. _________________ Graham - Moderator
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Yeah, the Planar bokeh is harsh and nervous to my eyes, very different to the Helios/Biotar.
I'd like the 8-element Takumar if I can find one at a good price. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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std
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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std wrote:
Hi Ian,
I guess the Minolta will not be expensive to convert. If you are interested i can ask.
BTW have you tough of changing your focusing screen?
I have won one 20D 2 days ago on ebay and I'm looking into possibilities. _________________ Stefan
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SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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DanielT74
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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DanielT74 wrote:
Old Pentax K 50/1.2 or if that's too expensive 50/1.7?
The f/1.2 is a lovely lens that draws very nicely wide open (though not super-sharp) and mostly has lovely bokeh (better than the Super-Tak). The 50/1.7 is just a great lens (but it can't do f/1.2). |
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pdccameras
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Ian,
I'll jump on the Takumar bandwagon. I have to admit, though, I have never been able to ascertain a real difference between the 7 and 8 element models. I've had very yellow copies clean up efficiently under a good UV lamp. Color balance is the first step in my PP workflow, so a little yellow in the glass doesn't really bother me anyway.
The Nikon 50mm f/1.4 Nikkor-S pre-ai has always been good to me, and it is pretty reasonably priced.
Here is a great review of this lens - against a bunch of other Nikon 50s and a Zeiss ZF, with sharpness, bokeh, etc. described:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/50-comparison/index.htm
Best of luck,
Paul _________________ Canon 5D Mii, Canon 40D, Canon 350D IR, Sony A7 Mii, Sony Alpha-6000, a ton of lenses: AF & MF and too many cameras to count, all formats: 110 - 4x5. |
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estudleon
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
+1. Minolta mc pg.
+1 summilux last version _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Aah, the Nikkor 1.4/50, there's loads of versions, I read the thread about them, Vilhelm gave lots of info, but can someone boil it down for me, are the various Nikkor 1.4/50s really significantly different in IQ or are they all good? |
The only Nikkor 1.4/50 I have is the Nikkor-S.C 1.4/50 and I really like it. It it sharp enough and has a very pleasing character. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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kuuan
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
..I reckon your best bet is a Super / S-M-C / SMC Takumar 50/1.4 then They're generally pretty sharp... |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
..I'd like the 8-element Takumar if I can find one at a good price. |
note that the Super Takumars have 6 aperture blades, the S-M-C and SMC 8 blades and superior coating.
i personally prefer, if they show, octagons over hexagons and recommend the S-M-C and SMC also for their superior coatings
I love my S-M-C, also have the 8 element Super Takumar but have not found any advantages of the 8 element - yet - but saw that is does loose contrast / flare more easily
my Minolta ( the 55mm MD, supposedly optically the same as the MC PG but in a smaller, lighter body, see: http://www.rokkorfiles.com/Battle%20of%2050s2.htm ) is a truly great lens, but I don't see any convincing advantage that would justify it's conversion over getting a Takumar, couldn't say if I prefer the optical performance of the S-M-C or the Rokkor. My Nikkor-S.C 1.4/50 is up there too, colors are a bit different which could make for a personal preference, personally I don't like it's big body ( I believe later Nikkors are smaller ) _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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Pancolart
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Pancolart wrote:
Rolleinar QBM 1.4/55mm is very good lens. _________________ ---------------------------------
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Ymmot
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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Ymmot wrote:
Though I don't have much experience with fast lenses (and use my lenses stopped down most of the time),
I can say that the Zuiko 50mm 1.4 is nice, 8 blade aperture, though mine had some (oily/condensation, not mold, I think) internal haze.
I love it after cleaning it (most of it cleaned out), though I recall hearing someone other about it as well, so better check them if you buy them.
(Haze was on the inside of the front group, last element before the aperture on mine...
Mine was quite easy to disassemble up to the point of taking the front group apart, they used rings without notches, so you need a friction tool to open them/put them back together) |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
This is all good, very helpful info guys, thanks.
A Takumar would be simplest, but I am intrigued by a Rokkor, not least because of the three other Rokkors I have, all three are wonderful lenses (MD 2/45, Rokkor-PF 1.7/50, W-Rokkor-Sg 3.5/3
std wrote: |
Hi Ian,
I guess the Minolta will not be expensive to convert. If you are interested i can ask.
BTW have you tough of changing your focusing screen?
I have won one 20D 2 days ago on ebay and I'm looking into possibilities. |
I would love to know about conversion, please.
Yes, I ordered a split screen, 10ukp, I will report on it after I get it and fit it. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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