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estudleon
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 Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: aus Jena or made in jena? |
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estudleon wrote:
Attila and may be Orio (I don't remember well) are right whe say than the CZJ with the words "aus jena" are perhaps better than the CZJ "made in jena" ones.
It seemed sillines to me. But I tested two pancolar 50 mm, one aus jena and the other made in jena.
The definition is closely for both. But the contrast is much more strong in the aus jena. Different is very, very noticeable. Casuality? I don't think so.
Well, we have to look for aus jena CZJ.
Rino.
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I never seen Made in Jena, perhaps fake..
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piticu
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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piticu wrote:
Attila, I think it was a figure of speach
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estudleon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| piticu wrote: |
| Attila, I think it was a figure of speach |
Thanks piticu
Attila, bad boy 
I don't remember what's the lens say, perhaps "Carl zeiss jena".
But be that as it may, the "aus jena" is better. I saw this.
Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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IANUS
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| Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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IANUS wrote:
The "aus Jena" ones were made in the GDR for export to the Western European countries and overseas. The Carl Zeiss Jena ones were made for the Eastern European countries. This was due to the fact the Carl Zeiss was split after WWII in the company in Oberkochen (renowned for the Contax and Hasselblad lenses) and the Company in Jena (M42 and Pentacon six lenses). Since Praktica cameras were saled in Western Germany and western Europe they had to rename the lenses.
Basically the "aus Jena" ones and the ones with Carl Zeiss Jena are the same. Quality control might have been better for the export versions. |
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JohnBar
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: |
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JohnBar wrote:
This is an old thread,
I hope people are still alive 
I have seen three types of old zeiss lenses marked as
aus Jena
Jena
Carl Zeiss Jena
For clarification : Is the belief that the exported models labelled -aus Jena- or -Jena- have maybe better QC than -Carl Zeiss Jena- ?
If so, this is very interesting, because I observe that on ebay, auction prices for lenses that are marked -Carl Zeiss Jena- tend to be higher. So people are paying more for inferior QC ?
That is funny ! People pay more for the name than the quality.
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
| JohnBar wrote: |
| That is funny ! People pay more for the name than the quality. |
Sure, people are stupid, hence they pay a fair wad for fake Gucci handbags etc. Cachet name = value, often regardless of quality.
Even the crap Sigma and Cosina lenses marked Carl Zeiss sell for decent prices, yet you can buy the exact same lenses with Cosina, Sigma or other brandings for much less.
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laenee
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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laenee wrote:
| IANUS wrote: |
The "aus Jena" ones were made in the GDR for export to the Western European countries and overseas. The Carl Zeiss Jena ones were made for the Eastern European countries. This was due to the fact the Carl Zeiss was split after WWII in the company in Oberkochen (renowned for the Contax and Hasselblad lenses) and the Company in Jena (M42 and Pentacon six lenses). Since Praktica cameras were saled in Western Germany and western Europe they had to rename the lenses.
Basically the "aus Jena" ones and the ones with Carl Zeiss Jena are the same. Quality control might have been better for the export versions. |
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estudleon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
+1.
Perhaps the people is not so stupid.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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fermy
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fermy wrote:
By the way, I don't know very well all the dirty details. Can someone elaborate which Carl Zeiss and Pentacon labelled lenses are Sigma and Cosina made?
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pdccameras
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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pdccameras wrote:
Not to muddy the waters here, but take a look at this lens. A rather common 80mm f/2.8 Tessar in Exakta mount. If you loosen a couple of grub screws near the top of the lens mount, you find that the 35mm Exakta mount slips off leaving behind a large multi-lobed MF lens mount (not P6, but probably original Exakta 66).
Anyway, more to the point of this thread, if you look at the lens front retaining ring, you will notice it reads "C.Z. Jena". If you remove this ring, you will find a second intact ring below, which I think at one time read "Carl Zeiss Jena" , but the "l Zeiss" part has been scratched out rather crudely. Why bother doing the surgery on the original retaining ring if you are going to cover it up anyway? Perhaps the scratch out was done at the exporter and the new ring was added at the importer to comply with international agreements and patent/copyright law?
I wonder if this lens was made in the same factory as the Pancolars?
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kyonthinh
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| Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:13 am Post subject: |
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kyonthinh wrote:
As you said, VEB Carl Zeiss Jena can not use the name Carl Zeiss when export, so they use only some word in their old name. And yes it is, by VEB Carl Zeiss Jena.
If you change a little bit in Planar co(Carlzeiss Ost) you will have the name Pancolar. |
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