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Jieffe
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 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: Zorki curtain stuck |
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Jieffe wrote:
Just exposed my first roll ... after removing the cartridge, I checked the shutter and ... my heart sank 
The first curtain remains open at the half of the exposure window. A gentle push with a finger achieve the exposure cycle.
Now I'm sure the shutter worked correctly when I received the Zorki.
I suspect the culprit might be old grease as it was damn cold when I took pictures. As a matter of fact, I had to dissasemble the lens and relube it because of a very stiff focusing ring (the lens was unscrewing while focusing).
For now, I left the camera next to a radiator to see if the grease will become fluider. I'll see tonight when I'll be back at home.
If it is the reason of the blockage, I'll have to dissasemble the body to gain access to the shutter assembly (found this : http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-58.html)
All hints are welcome (Jesito ?) |
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Jesito
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Zorki curtain stuck |
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Jesito wrote:
| Jieffe wrote: |
All hints are welcome (Jesito ?) |
Hi Jieffe, I've got no maintenance experience at all with my FED-2 yet, but I collected some net resources. I think your approach is right, if the temperature was so low probably the grease somewhat solidified. Applying heat should give a clue on this, and if so, probably you have to disassemble the mechanism, take out the old grease and replace it by a different one with a lower melting point.
If you post some pictures we could better understand the problem and maybe give some additional clues.
Jes.
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Zorki curtain stuck |
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Jieffe wrote:
| Jesito wrote: |
| If you post some pictures we could better understand the problem and maybe give some additional clues. |
I'll do that this evening, thanks ! |
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Richard_D
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Richard_D wrote:
Jieffe - Rick's a member here, he might be able to give more advice.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Zorki curtain stuck |
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Jieffe wrote:
| Jesito wrote: |
| If you post some pictures we could better understand the problem and maybe give some additional clues. |
The heat didn't solve the problem
Here goes the pictures :
At 1/250 :
At 1/1000
The curtains stuck even at slow speeds or Bulb ... |
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Jieffe wrote:
| Richard_D wrote: |
| Jieffe - Rick's a member here, he might be able to give more advice. |
I didn't realize he was a member, thanks ...
Rick, if you are reading this .... heeeeeeelp  |
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Juanma
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Juanma wrote:
Jieffe,
Hope you get it fixed. I am looking for a Zorki 4 for myself and your problem scares me a bit.
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Canon EOS 600 | Praktica MTL5B | Zorki 4K | Jupiter 8 | Flektogon 4/20 | Pentacon 2,8/29 | Flektogon 2,4/35 | Tessar 2,8/50 | Industar 50-2 | Jupiter 9 | Sonnar 3,5/135 | Some AF stuff | A couple of MF lenses coming... |
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
This sounds like the same problem:
http://jay.fedka.com/index_files/Page389.htm - looks like a partial disassembly, flush with lighter fluid and re-lube.
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The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Jieffe wrote:
Yes, I saw that one earlier ...
No time to do it this weekend and I also need to buy some lighter fluid (versatile product, I used it in the past to thin airbrush paint ...)
Thanks anyway for the link. |
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Jesito
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Jesito wrote:
Rick's site has a nice breakdown of part of the Zorki-4 (at the end of the page) http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-58.html
good luck!
Jes.
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Jieffe
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Jieffe wrote:
I used these instructions to clean the Zorki. High speeds (from 1/250 to 1/1000) seems to be working, but nothing to do for the lower speeds.
Well, at the worse, it will make a very sexy paperweight  |
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Jesito
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
| Jieffe wrote: |
I used these instructions to clean the Zorki. High speeds (from 1/250 to 1/1000) seems to be working, but nothing to do for the lower speeds.
Well, at the worse, it will make a very sexy paperweight |
Jieffe, did you unmount the curtain?.
I'm thinking that maybe if the left/right curtain is not at the rigth tension, at high speeds could produce such effect. (Just a thought...).
Paperweight, it's the last ressort, don't give up.
Good luck.
Jes.
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Jieffe wrote:
| Jesito wrote: |
| Jieffe, did you unmount the curtain? |
Well, I'm not *that* bold
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| I'm thinking that maybe if the left/right curtain is not at the rigth tension, at high speeds could produce such effect. (Just a thought...). |
That's a possibility. I found some kind of tutorial on Ebay, from someone selling curtains. Just have to find time to read it  |
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Jesito
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
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That's a possibility. I found some kind of tutorial on Ebay, from someone selling curtains. Just have to find time to read it |
I've been told it's not too difficult... but I've never tried it, my FED is quite happy and had no problems so far...
Jes.
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Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
CSCCanon EOS-M, Samsung NX100 and NX210, Lumix G5, NEX-F3 |
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bob955i
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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bob955i wrote:
If you need shutter curtain material, Aki Asahi is the man (I'm not connected in any way.).
I got some shutter curtain material (very high quality - no pinholes), tapes and leatherette for a couple of my indisposed babies from him and it was delivered to the UK in less than a week after despatch.
The guy is very professional and a pleasure to deal with.
He also does recovering kits as well.
http://aki-asahi.com/store/ |
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Jieffe
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Jieffe wrote:
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| If you need shutter curtain material, Aki Asahi is the man (I'm not connected in any way.). |
I also found this : Click here to see on Ebay
Quite a tutorial ... |
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