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Yebisu
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 Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: Question about lens compatability in the pentax 67 range |
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Yebisu wrote:
Hi everyone
I've been loaned a Pentax 67 MLU with meter prism with the 135/4 takumar macro. I want to get a faster normal lens (105/2.4) or a wide angle. When looking at the lenses for the 67, I've noticed that there many different kinds of lenses. For example:
http://www.net-chuko.com/buy/detail.do?ac=2149130706784#
http://www.net-chuko.com/buy/detail.do?ac=2143800299156#
Will both lenses above mount and meter on my Pentax 67?
Thanks for your time. |
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atomstitcher
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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atomstitcher wrote:
There are up to four versions of the Pentax 67 lenses, which are labelled as follows (from oldest to newest):
Super Takumar
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 6x7 (SMC Takumar)
SMC Pentax 6x7
SMC Pentax 67
The oldest type were uncoated I believe, and should be avoided. In many cases the other three types are equivalent in terms of performance, but some have re-designed optical formulas and better performance with the later versions (the 55mm for example). Here is a site with a comparison table for the different lens version:
http://antiquecameras.net/pentax6x7lenses.html
In the case of the 105mm, there is no optical difference between those two versions (the SMC Pentax 67 version is just slightly lighter). For 1/3 of the price I would get that SMC Takumar personally. Hope this helps.
edit: Just saw in the description that it says there's a lot of dirt in the SMC Takumar lens? I guess this would explain the price. In that case maybe go for the newer lens. |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
I use SMC 67 55mm on 6x7 MLU, so I'm pretty sure there is backward compatibility.
I wouldn't say the 3-coats Super Takumars are to be 'avoided', rather the S-M-C and SMC versions are preferable, due to better coatings.
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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atomstitcher
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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atomstitcher wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| I wouldn't say the 3-coats Super Takumars are to be 'avoided', rather the S-M-C and SMC versions are preferable, due to better coatings. |
Yes, perhaps I used too strong a word. I'm sure the older lenses aren't bad, but I imagine they probably have less contrast and flare worse than the newer ones. With the prices the SMC versions go for I see no reason not to get them. Just my 2p. |
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Yebisu
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yebisu wrote:
Thanks guys.
It's good to know that all versions of 67 lenses will mount on my camera.
Now I'm on the lookout for a nice 105/2.4! |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
 I made a mistake!
My lens 55mm lens has SMC Pentax 6x7 on the name ring, not "67"! Sorry, I don't know if there is a version of that lens with 67 on the name ring instead of 6x7. I cannot say with certainty that 67 lenses will fit the 6x7, although Pentax did make the 67 camera compatible with the older lenses.
Important note: the finder-meter has to be mounted on the camera before mounting the lens, for the meter to work properly as aperture ring is turned. Likewise, if the finder-meter is removed with the lens attached, unless the lens is removed before re-mounting the finder, the lens aperture will not couple to the finder, and the meter will not respond to changes of lens aperture ring.
EDIT:
I have S-M-C 4.5/75mm and S-M-C 2.8/90mm LS for sale. Please send PM if you are interested in the details. 
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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atomstitcher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:13 am Post subject: |
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atomstitcher wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| I don't know if there is a version of that lens with 67 on the name ring instead of 6x7. I cannot say with certainty that 67 lenses will fit the 6x7, although Pentax did make the 67 camera compatible with the older lenses. |
Yes there is an SMC Pentax 67 version of the 55mm. It is an optical redesign and apparently the best performer. Check this site for a handy comparison table of the lens versions:
http://antiquecameras.net/pentax6x7lenses.html
All the different lens versions will mount and function on any Pentax 6x7, 67 or 67II camera. |
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:04 am Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
Thanks atomstitcher!
(for some probably odd reason your handle makes me think of the old TV show "Mork & Mindy" -- Mork was always saying "Nano Nano"  By chance do you work with nano-tech?)
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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atomstitcher
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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atomstitcher wrote:
| visualopsins wrote: |
| By chance do you work with nano-tech? |
Not in the sense you probably mean, but close. I'm a synthetic organic chemist, in the process of finishing my PhD. |
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