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Nelson
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 618 Location: close to Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: Canon G vs 4/3 |
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Nelson wrote:
What would be better as a small camera ?
A canon G9/10/11/12 or à Pen/GF1 ?
which one provides better pictures and has the best handling ? _________________ DSLR : EOS 350D, 300D, 7D, 5D
Pentacon 50 f1.8, 135 f2.8, 200 f4;
TAIR 3S
Helios 44/2
Meyer Optik Orestegor 200mm f4 Orestegor 300mm f4
Tamron 24mm f2.5 01B, 300mm f5.6 670Au, 75 250, 300mm f5.6 SP 54B, 500mm f8 SP 55B, SP 70 210 3.5, SP 60 300
my MF lenses
EF 50 1.8 I, EF 100macro f2.8, EF 70-200 F4 L is, EFS 17-55 f2.8 is, Sigma 10-20 EX, 18-50 2.8 EX, 300 f4 hsm, 400 5.6 hsm |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
micro 4/3 must be better IQ than a compact I believe it, but I didn't have any of them just a Panasonic G1. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:42 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
m4/3 is better in terms of IQ (noise and details) - also you may change lenses.
G's are very portable and are really pocketable.
If you need small camera you may wait until the new Canon G1 X is released in March. It has almost the same sensor size as m4/3 and the noise samples are really impressive.
I Have E-P2 and G9 and may put some pictures for you if you need to compare them. _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5039 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:49 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
std wrote: |
If you need small camera you may wait until the new Canon G1 X is released in March. |
749 euros! _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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glasslover
Joined: 17 May 2011 Posts: 143 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Canon G vs 4/3 |
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glasslover wrote:
Hi!
I have a G9 and a GH2. I have a friend with a GF1. The M43 cameras have much better IQ than the G9, and I'm almost certain this is true for the G10/11 as well, just due to the limitations of the sensor size in those cameras. I used the G9 for years and loved its compactness, particularly for traveling. Which one provides the best handling, it really depends on what you need.
Cheers!
Nelson wrote: |
What would be better as a small camera ?
A canon G9/10/11/12 or à Pen/GF1 ?
which one provides better pictures and has the best handling ? |
" target="_blank">Click here to see on Ebay _________________ --Glasslover
I have a panasonic gh2 and olympus om-d e-m5 (both m43) and use mf lenses of many types |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:00 am Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
they are not comparable as they are totally different animals. canons are tiny sensored p&s cams. pens/Gs are portable interchangeable lens system cameras. if you want quality/flexibilty take pens (they have IBIS and quality evf, pannys have neither). if you want shirt pocket cam get canon. simple. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 580 Location: North Wales - UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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trev wrote:
If you REALLY want your eyes opening, go to www.luminous-landscapes.com and scroll to C in the reviews section and you will find a file titled G10 Kidding?
Compares a g10 with a Hassy in the field. Most revealling and enlightening _________________ Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
yes and then go to my article favorably comparing my jeep wrangler to the ferrari testarossa.
btw i am selling my wrangler if you need to replace your ferrari.... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 580 Location: North Wales - UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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trev wrote:
Now you're being silly _________________ Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
perhaps both comparisons are silly... _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 580 Location: North Wales - UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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trev wrote:
Sorry, I do not think that I was being silly and did not make any comparision between a hassy and the g10. I merely pointed NELSON to this article. Afterall, those guys at luminous landscape are real world photographers making their living selling photographs and NOT writing articles praising one camera over another for a particular photo magazine.
Read the article _________________ Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
trev, calm down, i dont want to fight a duel over this, ok? just joking around a little bit, it's really not important enough to get all riled up about, is it?
in my opinion comparing a p&s to a hassy is indeed like comparing my jeep to a ferrari. you dont agree. both opinions are ok and not worth getting upset about. it was a joke, take it in the spirit it was made. a litte perspective goes a long way. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010 Posts: 580 Location: North Wales - UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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trev wrote:
Hell, you're quite right - guess I'm just having a bad day _________________ Fuji X10, X-A1 and Samsung nx 20 |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
boy i know about that! business stinks, ive been sick for a week and havent really picked up a camera in two! no prob man, hope things get better this weekend.
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
_________________________
'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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petr22
Joined: 25 Dec 2011 Posts: 18 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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petr22 wrote:
I read this luminous landscape article when it was posted, and my conclusion is that their print was not large enough to show the difference in quality. I have almost all G series cameras in my collection and I can say if I stick at lowest ISO available and take care of very limited dynamic range, it will create perfect photographs. Specially G10 with CCD sensor.
For everyday use 4/3 larger sensor has great advantage over all smaller sensor compact cameras (of course - APS-C sized sensors are much better, but bigger lenses are required).
There is big difference between Panasonic and Olympus image processing - Olympus try to resolve maximum detail, but their picture look "grainy" when examined at 100% magnification. Panasonic pictures have slightly less details, but their picture is clean - less noise.
Olympus E-PL1 picture at base ISO 200 (ISO 100 is done by software processing) look worse than G1 picture at ISO 100, but Olympus have much better JPG engine. JPG files from G1, examined at 100% have some strange pattern in them. When Panasonic introduced their 16 mpx sensor, noise is higher then 12 mpx sensor used in G1 and GF1. New Olympus cameras have better picture processing - less noise, sensor is same).
As for Panasonic cameras, if Panasonic lens is used, there is software correction applied to jpg files which will eliminate optical errors - like purple fringing or distort lines. RAW files are untouched.
I have both G1 and GF1 cameras and I recommend to buy one of them. There is hacked firmware from some russian guy which enable use of third party batteries and disable 30 minutes record limit for GF1.
As of G series cameras, I think that best of them is G10. G11 and G12 with their CMOS sensors are not for me. |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I'm actually really interested in the new Canon G1X, it looks great for what it is and would be a much more sensible option than m4/3 for a pocket camera. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5083 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Pocketable ?
I'm not sure : http://www.digitalrev.com/article/world-s-first-canon-powershot/ODYxNjY2Ng_A_A
There's a comparison at the end of the video. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Thanks for the link, it's certainly more pocketable tan my 5D
Not sure I like the sound of that tiny viewfinder though _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5083 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Thanks for the link, it's certainly more pocketable tan my 5D |
That's true.
I imagine somebody saying "My Canon G1X is bigger than my S100 but smaller than my 5D". _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
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petr22
Joined: 25 Dec 2011 Posts: 18 Location: Prague, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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petr22 wrote:
Canon G1X is big, specially with extended zoom lens.
New Canon mirrorless camera should be smaller and with interchangeable lenses (18-45 will be propably its kit lens) |
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yinyangbt
Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 1973 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:37 am Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
I had this question myself and own a G9. g9 is fine for travel if you shoot only up to 400 ISO and don't care for dymanic range . I needed an upgrade G1X was a natural choice , but it's much too moch $$$$ . Instead , Olympus EPL1 + KIT 14-42 II restyled has the same bulk as the G1X , slightly shorter long end , comparable sized sensor , good high ISO ( probably 1-1,5 stop better on Canon G1X), 1/4 - 1/3 the price !!
The answer for me is clear , EPL1 ! I've got one and I am happy with it. Check my posts in Autofocus section : http://forum.mflenses.com/spring-test-epl1-t49459.html
Of course , better screen, higher resolution on canon _________________ Cheers , Teo
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