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yinyangbt
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: Wich AF replacement for my G9 ? |
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yinyangbt wrote:
Ok , I am still looking for a replacement for my Canon G9 ,wich has to :
-as small as possible
-best IQ possibe, 800 ISO at least
-cheapest possible
-Image stabilisation if possible
Having already a NEX3 body I am considering
a) Nex+ some AF lens (16mm ? 18-55 ? Sigma 30/2.8? Sigma 19mm?) (around 200E)
b) Oly EPL1 + kit (200 E)?
c) Nikon J1 + 10-30mm ( over 400E)
d) Canon G12 or Oly XZ1 or Lumix LX5 (over 300E)
But not decided , all variants having pluses and minuses
What would you suggest ? _________________ Cheers , Teo
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
well you know i love my olly, but if you want low light-high iso, thats not the one. honestly, i think any of the cameras you mentioned will have problems at 800 or higher. imo, it is the nature of 'compact' cameras. if you just want a tny camera with lots of manual features with 'passable' iso800 check out the canon s90. its now pretty cheap, because theyve come out with 2 newer models, but havent really improved IQ at all. if you decide this camera might be for you let me know.
as i,m sure you know, any interchangeable lens type kit, whether apsc or m4/3, will not be as small as a p&s. my s90 is truly pocketable, even in front pocket of jeans. just depends on whats important to you.
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
How about a Samsung NX100 with 20-50 kit lens?
The camera is the same size as a NEX and the lens is really small too, it's got a collapsible design which makes it pretty small to fit in the pocket. IQ is great, like a NEX-3, and having an APS-C sensor it will outperform the other options including a M4/3. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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yinyangbt
Joined: 08 Oct 2010 Posts: 1973 Location: Romania
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
Thank you Tony and Ian for your feedback. Forgot about the NX100 , I don't understand how the IQ is so great ,the 800 samples I've seen from it were not great at all EPL1 were better) . Nex 3 smokes away all the cameras above ,to be honest . But, on the other hand ,as a replacement for the G9 NX100 would be good indeed... has a minus : lack of image stabilisation .
As for the s90-100 from canon , it's small,has IS but the image quality doesn't fit the EPL1 samples at 800 at least. _________________ Cheers , Teo
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I don't shoot high ISO but at 200, 400, I can't see difference between my NEX-3 and NX100. Samsung lenses are great though, very sharp. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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rbelyell
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
teo, if you have an apsc cam youre happy with, another apsc or m4/3 to me seems like it doesnt really add anything for you. i love olly, but for your situation, it seems to me another interchangeable lens mirrorless is no better than what you already have in the nex3. it really seems to me you may do yourself more of a service to replace the p&s G with another p&s. o have the s90, so i like it. but there are others too i guess. what i like about the s90 is its fully manually controllable if thats something that may from time to t ime be important.
the tradeoff always is 'quality' of bigger sensor vs 'pocketability' of p&s. sice you already have 'bigger' sensor nex, maybe its best to think of 'pocketability' and convenience with this purchase. btw you can get the s90 for much less than 300€. again, if you decide to go for this camera, let me know.
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Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
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nemesis101
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
EPL-1 (oly m4/3) for $149 body only NEW from Cameta!!!
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Rolf
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
Vote for the LX5 Teo. Still one of the best P&S cams on the market and smaller than G10/G12 etc.
My son own one. Here one of his samples.
_________________ Rolf |
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
I'm not quite sure I understand your post, sorry:
Are you keeping your NEX3 and just replacing the G9 with something smaller? Or do you want something to replace both the G9 and the NEX? Because if you are keeping the NEX, then why would you want something like a m4/3, since that is the same size as your NEX?
If you want the smallest with best IQ, the canon powershots are the ones to look at, but yes, they won't do great at ISO 800 (though the s100 does quite well at this ISO).
Taken with canon s95:
1203251 by noobographer, on Flickr
12041413 by noobographer, on Flickr |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:18 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I just bought a Nikon P7100 for my mother-in-law. She wanted a replacement for her old Kodak digicam and was looking for a compact "can-do-all" cam with an optical viewfinder. It will be here next week. I'll report. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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yinyangbt
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
I'm not quite sure I understand your post, sorry:
Are you keeping your NEX3 and just replacing the G9 with something smaller? Or do you want something to replace both the G9 and the NEX? Because if you are keeping the NEX, then why would you want something like a m4/3, since that is the same size as your NEX?
If you want the smallest with best IQ, the canon powershots are the ones to look at, but yes, they won't do great at ISO 800 (though the s100 does quite well at this ISO).
Taken with canon s95:
1203251 by noobographer, on Flickr
12041413 by noobographer, on Flickr |
Thanks for the answer , interesting results !
I wanted to keep the NEX for manual focus lenses and high ISO shots when I know I'll need high ISO.
I want to move from the G9 to a portable autofocus compact package that retain image stabilisation, zoom ability ,better high ISO than G9 for moments when I want autofocus and zoom .
I strongly dislike the Sony kit 18-55 E wich seems too big and unbalanced for me (even if I accept Mf lenses bigger than that , call me freak ) .
Shortly , i'd trade some compactness of the G9 for some better image quality at high ISO .800-1600 will do .
The nex +kit lens is bulkier than EPL1+kit lens .
Of course ,I don't want to invest a lot in this change. I could keep the nex as the only camera and get an autofocus lens for it ( sigma 19/2.8 or 30/2. . I'd have the best IQ possible for a compact enough combo ,but giving up the image stabilisation and zoom ability (wich I don't want )
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I just bought a Nikon P7100 for my mother-in-law. She wanted a replacement for her old Kodak digicam and was looking for a compact "can-do-all" cam with an optical viewfinder. It will be here next week. I'll report.
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Thanks , Carsten , I am very curious _________________ Cheers , Teo
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
How about a Samsung NX100 with 20-50 kit lens?
The camera is the same size as a NEX and the lens is really small too, it's got a collapsible design which makes it pretty small to fit in the pocket. IQ is great, like a NEX-3, and having an APS-C sensor it will outperform the other options including a M4/3. |
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Aanything
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
I'd buy an AF zoom for the nex.
I wouldn't buy another compact body having one already: just put the af zoom on the nex and use it as if it was a p&s _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
yinyangbt wrote: |
Thanks , Carsten , I am very curious |
Have a look here: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1223880.html#1223880 _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Olivier
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
I would consider Canon S100, or Olympus XZ1.
or the Samsung TL500/EX1 wich has dual image stabilisation, has a Schneider-Kreuznach f1.8 24-72mm equivalent lens and expert abilities :
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/samsungtl500/
some samples :
http://forum.mflenses.com/samsung-ex1-tl500-t41858,highlight,%2Bsamsung+%2Bex.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/samsung-ex1-colour-t44600,highlight,%2Bsamsung+%2Bex.html _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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yinyangbt
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
I gave up compactness for IQ : waiting for the postman to bring an EPL1 + 14-42 last version (upgraded) 230 E .
I'll try also the pancakes 14mm and 20mm for compactness ,when the budget allows _________________ Cheers , Teo
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Olivier
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Congrats Teo.
For compactness on my Pen E-P2, I bought this Panasonic Lumix 14mm f2.5 for 120€ : Click here to see on Ebay
I can't say much as I'm still waiting for it but comments seem good and the price is interesting. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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yinyangbt
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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yinyangbt wrote:
Olivier wrote: |
Congrats Teo.
For compactness on my Pen E-P2, I bought this Panasonic Lumix 14mm f2.5 for 120€ : Click here to see on Ebay
I can't say much as I'm still waiting for it but comments seem good and the price is interesting. |
thank you ,Olivier ! Congrats for the 14mm ! Very good price for the Lumix 14mm ! but how much are going to be the custom and shipping taxes? _________________ Cheers , Teo
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Olivier
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
I'll tell you about any custom and other taxes, if any. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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