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ks73 wrote:
I have been tempted to try this lens and I finally got one a few weeks ago. First results look very promising! The lens vignettes quite a lot on full frame, but it is also as sharp as the reviewers are saying. The back of the lens touches Canon 6D mirror on focusing distances more than 3m.
#1 f11
And 100% crop:
#2 f8
#3 wide open
#4 wide open
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uddhava wrote:
Very nice photos! Nice lens. |
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ks73
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does the bajonet itself not hit the 6D mirror?
when i use an adapter of the right thickness to reach infinity focus, the bajonet hits the mirror.
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ks73
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ks73 wrote:
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does the bajonet itself not hit the 6D mirror?
when i use an adapter of the right thickness to reach infinity focus, the bajonet hits the mirror. |
This is m42 version, adapter is not a problem. 6D mirror touches the ring which is holding the rear lens in its place. I actually measured the difference, it is about 0,6mm too close to the sensor. I am still gathering courage to shave the mirror...
A good way to experiment with mirror clearance is to get an old film body with EF mount. I got broken EOS 500N, from which I removed the shutter. This allows me to check where the mirror goes exactly.
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devinw wrote:
Looks good! The last 2 especially!
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chris_zeel wrote:
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does the bajonet itself not hit the 6D mirror?
when i use an adapter of the right thickness to reach infinity focus, the bajonet hits the mirror. |
This is m42 version, adapter is not a problem. 6D mirror touches the ring which is holding the rear lens in its place. I actually measured the difference, it is about 0,6mm too close to the sensor. I am still gathering courage to shave the mirror...
A good way to experiment with mirror clearance is to get an old film body with EF mount. I got broken EOS 500N, from which I removed the shutter. This allows me to check where the mirror goes exactly. |
that makes sense. i have the exakta version, and regret that the exakta bajonet hits the mirror.
not sure if i would care to shave the mirror, since i don't have so many lenses with issues.
is there a way to remove the mirror from the body?
i haven't looked for it, but so far i have only seen a process with the mirror in its place.
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ks73
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ks73 wrote:
| chris_zeel wrote: |
that makes sense. i have the exakta version, and regret that the exakta bajonet hits the mirror.
not sure if i would care to shave the mirror, since i don't have so many lenses with issues.
is there a way to remove the mirror from the body?
i haven't looked for it, but so far i have only seen a process with the mirror in its place. |
I don't know how mirror is attached to its place. If you remove the mirror you cannot use viewfinder anymore. Wouldn't it be better just to use the lens with live view in the first place?
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alex ph wrote:
There are several really nice looking threads for this great lens in the forum. I join my several shots here, following a spontaneous feeling.
Just got htis lens, amazed as most of the owners with its clarity and sharpness. Together with Rodenstock and Schneider I love slow German wides even more. Put on Sony Nex with lens booster, contrast is pushed a bit.
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lumens pixel wrote:
Looks very good.
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kypfer wrote:
Nice to see some examples in colour from this lens 
Mine's in Exakta mount and I've only used it with b&w film on one of my Exa cameras ... I'd not noticed any undue vignetting, but as I'd probably be comparing it to a Domiplan or Meritar all images would likely be similar  |
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alex ph
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alex ph wrote:
Some old glass is amazing, and this lens clearly belongs to the list. |
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KEO wrote:
Yes, there's definitely something special about the Primagon 35. It is sharp. It is clear. It also has very pleasing character. |
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jamaeolus wrote:
Alex? Have you tried Staeble Choro? It fits your "slow German wides" and is also quite good. Typically found in Paxette 39mm mount so easily adapted. Its usually not much money.. The exception that "proves the rule" is the Enna Lithagon....not a great lens IMHO.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:09 am Post subject: Huge difference between early 4E/4G german wide angles |
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I have recently wondered how it's possible that very similar lenses, made (in Germany) in the same period, have such a different performance.
I am referring to the early retrofocus 4E/4G designs with focal of 35mm, made roughly at the same time by different german lens makers.
I recently tested the Steinheil Culmigon 4.5/35mm and I found it to be quite terrible, at least on the stacked sensor of my Sony A7II. I kind of remember it was somewhat better on the Pentax K-1, though.
On the other hand, the Meyer Primagon version of the same design is so much better... even if the cut-out of the optical design looks so similar you might think it's the same lens!
I remember that the Enna interpretation of the same early retrofocus design is not as good, but still better than the Steinheil. If I remember correctly the Enna was sold in different versions, but the max aperture was faster (f/3.5) than the other two already mentioned. I have an early version branded Enna, another marked Reflexogon, and then the Edixa Eximar. All should have the same design and all are f/3.5. I didn't use very much these lenses but I'm pretty sure they are much better than the Steinheil and worse than the Meyer.
Last is the Staeble design, known for performing quite well outside of visible light (UV and possibly IR). I have no example in M39 Paxette mount (named Choro or Choroplast), though I have a later incarnation, possibly with better coating, but not enough to castrate its performance outside the visible spectrum. It's the Novoflex Macro 3.5/35mm. The mechanical design is not ideal, however I found the optic performs great at close range. Here are two pictures shot with the Novoflex/Staeble Noflexar Macro 3.5/35mm lens. I have no reason to think that the Choro/Choroplast are not as good. They should all have the same design.
 Old Knob by spaulein, on Flickr
 Succulent Plant Flowers by spaulein, on Flickr
If I'm not mistaken all these lenses have a very similar optical diagram, with large front element and small back element.
Having re-tried a couple of them quite recently, I was left wondering why the performance of very similar lenses differs so much.
It could just be the state of conservation of my examples, but I have repeatedly found on the web similar opinions expressed by other photographers.
What's your experience?
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alex ph wrote:
Nice shots, cyberjunkie! They also have some fine but visible grain which I see when shooting with some other old lenses, including Xeanars and Xenons. I wonder what brings such a grain, even at low ISO?
Jamaeolus, I've never tried Choro. Looking at current prices I am saying to myself to wait for a good occasion. |
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alex ph wrote:
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Very nice!
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Nice shots, cyberjunkie! They also have some fine but visible grain which I see when shooting with some other old lenses, including Xeanars and Xenons. I wonder what brings such a grain, even at low ISO?
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I guess it's just the camera.
If I'm not mistaken the pictures were taken with an old Pentax K-01.
If I had used the K-1 the grain would have been much lower
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| alex ph wrote: |
Nice shots, cyberjunkie! They also have some fine but visible grain which I see when shooting with some other old lenses, including Xeanars and Xenons. I wonder what brings such a grain, even at low ISO?
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I guess it's just the camera.
If I'm not mistaken the pictures were taken with an old Pentax K-01.
If I had used the K-1 the grain would have been much lower |
I've seen a few strange effects posted on forums that was caused by automatic corrections. Especially automatic vignetting removal. |
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