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OPAL
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 5:57 pm Post subject: 6x6 medium Zeiss lens adapted on SONY cameras |
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OPAL wrote:
I am using on my SONY cameras adapted sucessfully, the 6x6 medium format lens CZJ SONNAR MC 2,8/180mm, with an 6 element 6x6 2x converter, on my 35mm FF and APS-C Sony cameras with 360mm and 540mm tele photo length!
The lens should be used always with an lens hood, because of the large front glass! Optical, the sweet spot of this lens will be used! No distortion, no optical fall off! The only disadvantage is the bulky size and weight! But, I am used to it, from me long time medium format camera times! |
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Alsatian2017
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: 6x6 medium Zeiss lens adapted on SONY cameras |
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Alsatian2017 wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
I am using on my SONY cameras adapted sucessfully, the 6x6 medium format lens CZJ SONNAR MC 2,8/180mm, with an 6 element 6x6 2x converter, on my 35mm FF and APS-C Sony cameras with 360mm and 540mm tele photo length!
The lens should be used always with an lens hood, because of the large front glass! Optical, the sweet spot of this lens will be used! No distortion, no optical fall off! The only disadvantage is the bulky size and weight! But, I am used to it, from me long time medium format camera times! |
Nice !!! In the middile of the nineties, i've been using this lens and a CZ Sonnar MC 4/300 mm on a Mamiya 645 1000 S body and I really loved the images I've shot with this set - bulky but brilliant IQ and bokeh. |
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kiddo
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
I've been told ,same lens has been made for 35mm , is the optical group the same for all of em ,doesn't matter the format ?
My copy and 17671 I've been told was between the past units made , as they've changed the sn right at the end of production. My copy, it came modified for Kiev mount, so not sure what mount was it designed for , but I'm into adapting it to Sony. |
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eggplant
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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eggplant wrote:
So this would be a 360mm f5.6, and with APS-C crop 540mm (depth of field equivalent: f8.4). Interesting application- any sample pics? What's the fringing/spherical aberration like? |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The Sonnar 2.8/180 was designed as a 35mm format lens for the Berlin Olympics in 1936 so it's not a medium format lens really, it just happens to have an image circle large enough for 6x6 and later, when 6x6 cameras with interchangeable lenses like the Pentacon 6 came along, CZJ produced versions of the Sonnar that would mount on them.
It's a widely copied lens design, Nikon made a copy, Schneider/ISCO made a copy, there are quite a few more. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1426 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:48 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
Adapting medium format lenses (esp. 6x6 and 6x7) for use on smaller formats also allows for use of a tilt & shift adapter. The shift option rapidly loses its usefulness for longer focal lengths, but the tilt feature becomes extra useful.
In theory MF lenses were designed for a larger format and could potentially be a little less sharp when used on smaller formats compared to the native lenses for that smaller format. But in practice, in the case of Bronica PS lenses used on 35mm frame I have found hem to be pretty much on par re. sharpness compared with native 35mm format lenses. The corner performance is often better (except when shifted to maximum effect). The trade-off is that the lenses are slower and heavier and need a longer hood to improve contrast, so they are quite a bit bulkier to carry around. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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OPAL
Joined: 11 Dec 2012 Posts: 354
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:59 am Post subject: |
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OPAL wrote:
I have not compared them yet against reach other, my C/Y ZEISS Sonnar T* 2,8/180mm MM + C/Y ZEISS Mutar II coverter,
with my 6x6 medium format CZJ Sonnar MC 2,8/180mm + an 2x converter, on both my FF 24MP SONY and APS-C SONY cameras! But I guess, both have an very good optical quality, even with the 2x converters, with its focal length of 360mm and 540mm telephoto capacities! But in general, this is quiet heavy stuff to handle!
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
Adapting medium format lenses (esp. 6x6 and 6x7) for use on smaller formats also allows for use of a tilt & shift adapter. The shift option rapidly loses its usefulness for longer focal lengths, but the tilt feature becomes extra useful.
In theory MF lenses were designed for a larger format and could potentially be a little less sharp when used on smaller formats compared to the native lenses for that smaller format. But in practice, in the case of Bronica PS lenses used on 35mm frame I have found hem to be pretty much on par re. sharpness compared with native 35mm format lenses. The corner performance is often better (except when shifted to maximum effect). The trade-off is that the lenses are slower and heavier and need a longer hood to improve contrast, so they are quite a bit bulkier to carry around. |
I have a couple of Bronica Zenzanon-S that I use on my ff slr often and they lack nothing in sharpness compared to native lenses. In fact, they are really superb optics. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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OPAL
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Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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OPAL wrote:
I am wondering that no one asked about the 2x converter, I am using on my CZJ Sonnar 2,8/180mm and CZJ Biometar 2,8/120mm medium format combo!
It is an fairly rare K-6/P-6 medium converter "Made in Ukraine" from the ARSAT company! The optical quality of this 6-element design is stunning good, and can also be easily removed from its metal housing, to be used as an normal extension tube! I call this clever!
Cheers, |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1426 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:11 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
I am wondering that no one asked about the 2x converter, I am using on my CZJ Sonnar 2,8/180mm and CZJ Biometar 2,8/120mm medium format combo!
It is an fairly rare K-6/P-6 medium converter "Made in Ukraine" from the ARSAT company! The optical quality of this 6-element design is stunning good, and can also be easily removed from its metal housing, to be used as an normal extension tube! I call this clever!
Cheers, |
What is rare about it? Unless I am missing something they seem pretty commonly available for the KIEV 60 / Pentacon 6 & KIEV 88 mounts... _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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OPAL
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:57 am Post subject: |
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OPAL wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
OPAL wrote: |
I am wondering that no one asked about the 2x converter, I am using on my CZJ Sonnar 2,8/180mm and CZJ Biometar 2,8/120mm medium format combo!
It is an fairly rare K-6/P-6 medium converter "Made in Ukraine" from the ARSAT company! The optical quality of this 6-element design is stunning good, and can also be easily removed from its metal housing, to be used as an normal extension tube! I call this clever!
Cheers, |
What is rare about it? Unless I am missing something they seem pretty commonly available for the KIEV 60 / Pentacon 6 & KIEV 88 mounts... |
OK, if you think, try to get one! |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
OPAL wrote: |
I am wondering that no one asked about the 2x converter, I am using on my CZJ Sonnar 2,8/180mm and CZJ Biometar 2,8/120mm medium format combo!
It is an fairly rare K-6/P-6 medium converter "Made in Ukraine" from the ARSAT company! The optical quality of this 6-element design is stunning good, and can also be easily removed from its metal housing, to be used as an normal extension tube! I call this clever!
Cheers, |
What is rare about it? Unless I am missing something they seem pretty commonly available for the KIEV 60 / Pentacon 6 & KIEV 88 mounts... |
OK, if you think, try to get one! |
Well, I don't need one but there are like 10 listings on eBay right this minute; search for "K-6 2x converter" in the Cameras & Photography section... ? _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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OPAL
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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OPAL wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
OPAL wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
OPAL wrote: |
I am wondering that no one asked about the 2x converter, I am using on my CZJ Sonnar 2,8/180mm and CZJ Biometar 2,8/120mm medium format combo!
It is an fairly rare K-6/P-6 medium converter "Made in Ukraine" from the ARSAT company! The optical quality of this 6-element design is stunning good, and can also be easily removed from its metal housing, to be used as an normal extension tube! I call this clever!
Cheers, |
What is rare about it? Unless I am missing something they seem pretty commonly available for the KIEV 60 / Pentacon 6 & KIEV 88 mounts... |
OK, if you think, try to get one! |
Well, I don't need one but there are like 10 listings on eBay right this minute; search for "K-6 2x converter" in the Cameras & Photography section... ? |
You are right! But I mean the good quality one's! I am generally not a Ebay buyer, for good reasons! |
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RokkorDoctor
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
OPAL wrote: |
RokkorDoctor wrote: |
OPAL wrote: |
I am wondering that no one asked about the 2x converter, I am using on my CZJ Sonnar 2,8/180mm and CZJ Biometar 2,8/120mm medium format combo!
It is an fairly rare K-6/P-6 medium converter "Made in Ukraine" from the ARSAT company! The optical quality of this 6-element design is stunning good, and can also be easily removed from its metal housing, to be used as an normal extension tube! I call this clever!
Cheers, |
What is rare about it? Unless I am missing something they seem pretty commonly available for the KIEV 60 / Pentacon 6 & KIEV 88 mounts... |
OK, if you think, try to get one! |
Well, I don't need one but there are like 10 listings on eBay right this minute; search for "K-6 2x converter" in the Cameras & Photography section... ? |
You are right! But I mean the good quality one's! I am generally not a Ebay buyer, for good reasons! |
Yes, buying from eBay is a learning experience, and it takes some investment (both in time and bad purchases) to identify which are the reliable sellers. Now being "clued up", these days I am very rarely disappointed with my eBay purchases. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:39 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Those TCs aren't at all rare, especially in Europe. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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OPAL
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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OPAL wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Those TCs aren't at all rare, especially in Europe. |
But there are some risks, to get some junk stuff, which was offered very cheap on flee markets! I know, what I am talking about! |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1426 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
OPAL wrote: |
iangreenhalgh1 wrote: |
Those TCs aren't at all rare, especially in Europe. |
But there are some risks, to get some junk stuff, which was offered very cheap on flee markets! I know, what I am talking about! |
If you buy junk from a flea market you only have yourself to blame (esp. re. lenses); that is the one place where you can definitely inspect the item thoroughly in person before purchasing...
Now if you are saying that a perfectly-collimated & centered copy of that TC is rare, maybe, but that wasn't your original suggestion _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
There's not much to go wrong with a TC, no moving parts. Soviet equipment, the stuff that was imported into the UK at least, is usually good, the problems with quality control are vastly overstated - there is more variation by far in Carl Zeiss Jena lenses in my experience, particularly later production. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kiddo
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
I think, it is not easy to buy cheap and 100% flawless nowadays, many times there are issues that buyer just accept for paying less. An excellent copy and tested one , will cost more, sometimes few times more.
Flea market, won't offer tested material (most of the times) , just like ebay , or other sites .
Even on ebay, there are sellers with lots of + ratings, but doesn't mean they would tell all the truth about each item ,but is also true that a cla'd copy from a trustfully source , needs to be paid for. |
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