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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:41 pm Post subject: Vivitar 28-90 SER1 |
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Kamerer wrote:
90mm open aperture
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MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7795 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
It's a good lens, very under rated and overlooked so it's usually cheap, It's one of the best walkabout lenses I've got. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Back in my film days, the 28-90 S1 was one of my two most favorite walking-around lenses. Here's a Kodachrome shot I took with that lens. I duped the slide with my Sony NEX 7 and a Nikon 55mm f/2.8 Micro Nikkor.
Canon F-1, Vivitar Series 1 28-90, Kodachrome 64
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Kamerer
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Russia Moscow
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Kamerer wrote:
crop ~30-50%
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Sony NEX-3 + NEX C3
MC Helios-44M-4
VMC Vivitar 28-90/2.8-3.5 Ser1
Pentakta 2/30
My texts are translated by the electronic translator. Best regards, Sergey.
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Lloydy
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7795 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I think I have three of them at the moment? _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:40 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I have two. It's hard to pass one by when you run across it priced too cheap. _________________ Michael
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Oldhand
Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Posts: 6005 Location: Mid North Coast NSW - Australia
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Oldhand wrote:
Quite an exceptional lens which I have found performs well across its focal range.
Here are some samples from a local nature reserve
Tom
#1
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2536
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I put mine on the K-1 today
grape hyacinth by The lens profile, on Flickr
archkeh 2 by The lens profile, on Flickr
Goosekeh by The lens profile, on Flickr _________________ pentaxian |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:29 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I've always noticed that images have a slight sepia cast with this lens, or it seems to saturate the browns a lot more. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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xaprb
Joined: 28 Jan 2021 Posts: 171
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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xaprb wrote:
I agree about the sepia tones. There's something low-saturation and color-shifted about the lens, a little hard to describe, but it produces nostalgic colors straight out of camera. Its optical "flaws" such as low resolution and glowiness wide open contribute as well. I took mine on a family vacation and snapped a photo of my children in the hotel room, framed by a big window and the fancy wallpaper they had there (sorry, not a photo I am willing to upload here). Everyone who's seen that photo has immediately remarked on how much they love the colors. Not photographers, I mean, just family members and friends who've seen it. A very unique look, and very obvious when people are in the photo because we're so attuned to skin tones and how they should look. When looking at someone else's sample photos I have no idea what color a stone should be, or bark on a tree or petals on a flower, but when skin is color-shifted it's obvious. Not a faithful or accurate coloring at all, but pleasing and somehow true to the memories of how we felt about the vacation, so that shot has become a favorite, has been requested for prints multiple times, put in a frame in the hallway, included in cards and the bound books we create using online services now and then...
On the other hand I think the lens is a disaster ergonomically =D Get focused, oops I zoomed a little by accident now it's out of focus, now I want to zoom and I'm not sure which way I need to turn to get back into focus... I do a lot of trial-and-error with this lens! Still, the rewards for its quirks are worthwhile.
It's all a matter of opinion, of course; my remarks here are largely devoid of facts. |
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Doc Sharptail
Joined: 23 Nov 2020 Posts: 1209 Location: Winnipeg Canada
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
I have an earlier/later vivitar 28-80 in the closet that does weird things to color as well.
This is the 2nd era series 1 with the diagonal lines for focus grip rubber.
At first I thought the lab had blown the scans of the c-41's.
The negatives confirmed the strange coloring.
It does not get used much.
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Huh, I've never noticed a sepia color shift with my 28-90.
I mean, maybe it's there, but it's minor. By the way, all the above shots were slides -- and I'm pretty sure they're all Kodacchrome. _________________ Michael
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
The 1st 3 seem to have it. Maybe it's my eyes. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2536
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
I shoot AWB. It is always correcting for green with this lens. _________________ pentaxian |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:37 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
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The 1st 3 seem to have it. Maybe it's my eyes. |
The way I see it is this -- if the images were sepia toned, then the whites wouldn't be white. they wound be sepia in color. In all my above examples, there are white areas, and they are all white -- to my eyes at least. _________________ Michael
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4055 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Looking at these images, I was intrigued to try the Vivitar 2.8-3.5/28-90 as well.
A nice looking sample with Minolta MD bayonet is on its way ...
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1426 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:25 am Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
martinsmith99 wrote: |
The 1st 3 seem to have it. Maybe it's my eyes. |
The way I see it is this -- if the images were sepia toned, then the whites wouldn't be white. they wound be sepia in color. In all my above examples, there are white areas, and they are all white -- to my eyes at least. |
I notice you say these are Kodachrome slides.
On slide film any clearly saturated areas of near neutral colour (i.e moderately or severely overexposed areas) would still appear white (or rather, the colour of the film base), regardless of any slight colour cast the lens may have. I'll skip my likely unwanted tutorial about exposure of slide film, especially with regards to preserving highlight detail & resulting potential colour casts in the highlights, and deliberate overexposure of (subjectively selected) elements desired to be rendered white, as I assume most here on this forum will be well aware
More telling would be any areas that should be a neutral grey (of not too high luminance), which should show any colour bias of the lens.
But, attributing a colour cast from other peoples scanned slides to any particular factor would be a fool's errand; so much depends on not only the lens, but also on the light conditions during shooting, the brand, type, and even batch of film used, developer chemistry used & age of it, age & storage conditions of the slide when scanned, scanning setup & exposure, colour profile calibration, etc.
In cooltouch's images I don't see any obvious colour cast that can clearly be attributed to the lens used rather than any of the other factors mentioned. _________________ Mark
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Yep, that's a good point. In all my above images, except for the last one, there are ample areas of gray to be examined and these gray areas look pretty neutral to me. So, again, with the copy of this lens I owned (that's my caveat), I didn't see any sepia cast to the images taken with this lens. I should add perhaps that, back in my film days (most productive days shooting film, that is), which stretched from the early 80s to the early to mid 90s, I used my S1 28-90 a lot. It was one of my two most often used walk-around lenses and most of the images I shot with it were Kodachrome.
And yes, I was very aware of the nature of slide film and its narrow exposure latitude. It was because of this, in fact, that I preferred the original Canon F-1, with its 12% partial area metering pattern. Later, when I switched to Nikon, I found that the F3's 80-20 metering pattern actually worked very well with slide film, and I've always suspected that Nikon designed this tighter than usual pattern for the F3 so that exposure accuracy with slide film would be improved over their standard 60-40 pattern. _________________ Michael
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Well, I still see the cast in those images, or at least they are picking up browns more than other lenses.
The grey stones in the 1st image seem to show that; also, the skin tones look very warm. Or at least it's what I see. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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RokkorDoctor
Joined: 27 Nov 2021 Posts: 1426 Location: Kent, UK
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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RokkorDoctor wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
Well, I still see the cast in those images, or at least they are picking up browns more than other lenses.
The grey stones in the 1st image seem to show that; also, the skin tones look very warm. Or at least it's what I see. |
OK, which of those stones then would you say were genuinely neutral grey in real life? . The warm skin tone in #3 I can agree on as we all know what a normal skin tone looks like, but I suspect lighting conditions & a low sun are at play here.
My point was that on a colour-calibrated & profiled screen I see colour casts in most of those images, but being scanned/duped slides, that could be for a whole host of reasons, not necessarily the lens they were taken with. There are many reports of older Kodachrome scans/dupes resulting in greys being rendered with a purple/blue cast, something that may be consistent with what I am seeing in #5 on the tarmac in front of the hangars; likely nothing to do with the lens but all with the necessity of calibrating a Kodachrome-specific colour profile for the scanning setup, even different profiles for different generations of Kodachrome film (not that that is always practical though). And even then it may simply be a colour shift on an aged slide. _________________ Mark
SONY A7S, A7RII + dust-sealed modded Novoflex/Fotodiox/Rayqual MD-NEX adapters
Minolta SR-1, SRT-101/303, XD7/XD11, XGM, X700
Bronica SQAi
Ricoh GX100
Minolta majority of all Rokkor SR/AR/MC/MD models made
Sigma 14mm/3.5 for SR mount
Tamron SP 60B 300mm/2.8 (Adaptall)
Samyang T-S 24mm/3.5 (Nikon mount, DIY converted to SR mount)
Schneider-Kreuznach PC-Super-Angulon 28mm/2.8 (SR mount)
Bronica PS 35/40/50/65/80/110/135/150/180/200/250mm |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4055 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Lloydy wrote: |
I think I have three of them at the moment |
cooltouch wrote: |
I have two. It's hard to pass one by when you run across it priced too cheap. |
I have one now, as a result of this thread
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I've always noticed that images have a slight sepia cast with this lens, or it seems to saturate the browns a lot more. |
xaprb wrote: |
I agree about the sepia tones. |
Doc Sharptail wrote: |
I have an earlier/later vivitar 28-80 in the closet that does weird things to color as well.
This is the 2nd era series 1 with the diagonal lines for focus grip rubber. |
cooltouch wrote: |
Huh, I've never noticed a sepia color shift with my 28-90. |
My sample of the lens clearly has cooler colors than e. g. the Minoilta MD 4/100mm. The difference is about 400 K when measured. That's quite a lot.
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There's something low-saturation and color-shifted about the lens, a little hard to describe, but it produces nostalgic colors straight out of camera. Its optical "flaws" such as low resolution and glowiness wide open contribute as well. |
Rendering especiall at 90mm and f3.5 seems pretty nice - low contrast, but good detail, and not much astigmatism. Should be good for portraits, but I haven't tried it yet
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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caspert79
Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Posts: 3213 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
From the images I've seen, this lens seems quite a bit better than the S1 35-85/2.8. _________________ For Sale:
Steinheil Auto D Tele Quinar 135mm f/2.8 (Exa)
ISCO Isconar 100mm f/4 (Exa)
Steinheil Cassarit 50mm f/2.8 M39 (Paxette)
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D1N0
Joined: 07 Aug 2012 Posts: 2536
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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D1N0 wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
From the images I've seen, this lens seems quite a bit better than the S1 35-85/2.8. |
It should be compared to the Kiron 28-85mm f/2.8-3.8 macro. That was developed at te same time as 28-90 for Vivitar, but Komine won the series one order so Kino brought it out under their own brand. (Vivitar also sold it but not as series 1). _________________ pentaxian |
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stevemark
Joined: 29 Apr 2011 Posts: 4055 Location: Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
Usually I only mount Minolta lenses on my Minolta cameras - but here's an exception
The Vivitar Series 1 2.8-3,5/28-90mm certainly looks good on a Minolta X-500. The Motor and especially its grip are ideal for sligthly larger lenses such as the S1 28-90mm!
S _________________ www.artaphot.ch |
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xaprb
Joined: 28 Jan 2021 Posts: 171
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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xaprb wrote:
Hey, what time is it? IT'S SCIENCE TIME! OK not that this is to be taken too seriously, but in the spirit of a) fun and b) getting something more apples-to-apples as far as colors and overall rendition, I decided to shoot the same scene with my camera with this lens at both 28 and 90mm wide open, and also with a couple of my modern lenses. I'm using a crop-sensor Fujifilm X-S10 so we won't get the full field of view. The modern lenses are the excellent Fuji 90mm f2 set at f4 to match the Vivitar, and the pancake Fuji 27mm f2.8. As you might expect, both of them tell the Fuji camera how to correct aberrations and colors and so on. I used a Rayqual adapter to mount the Vivitar lens. I set white balance before beginning by shooting a WhiBal test card with the Fuji 27mm, then left that setting for the rest of the shots. I shot Fuji 27mm, Vivitar 28-90 at 28mm, ditto at 90mm, then Fuji 90mm. I set the camera in manual mode with fixed ISO 160, and set exposure once with each set of lenses and left it the same for the next lens, rechecking shutter speed when I changed focal length. I mounted the camera on a tripod. The Vivitar lens is heavy enough that it shifted even on the tripod, so I adjusted to recenter the focus target (dead center in the frame) when I put the Fuji 90mm lens on. The camera is set to defaults (no sharpening, "standard" film emulation/colors, etc.) I've stripped EXIF from the photos but otherwise they're straight from the camera. Images should be clickable for full size. If I've forgotten anything salient, ask questions and I'll try to answer.
Fujifilm 27mm f2.8
Vivitar 28-90mm at 28mm and f2.8
Vivitar 28-90mm at 90mm and f4
Fujifilm 90mm f2 at f4
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