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Smoli4
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 Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject: 50mm f1.4 Takumar's (Super, S-M-C, SMC) |
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Smoli4 wrote:
I see from the pirst picture that something is different about the coatings between the SMC and S-M-C version of this lens.
I only confirm that its not affected by arrangement and angle of light. the SMC version seems to flare a more aqua color and the S-M-C a green one.
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visualopsins
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: 50mm f1.4 Takumar's (Super, S-M-C, SMC) |
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visualopsins wrote:
Excellent series Smoli4. Thank you for the comparison.
Compare the front 3 reflections. On S-M-C and SMC Takumars the middle reflection of is offset, while on Super-Takumar all three are in line.
Compare the next 3 reflections. On Super-Takumar the first two are offset, while on S-M-C and SMC Takumars the first two are more closely aligned.
Why the different reflection alignments?
Something is taking place differently in SMC and Super versions, as shown by these reflection alignment differences. In the Super, the offset occurs in the second three reflections, in the SMCs, in the front three reflections. I suspect these are optical aberration corrections, however the lenses are documented to have the same lens formula -- can these reflection alignments be due solely to coating differences or do these lenses actually have elements with different curvatures?
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Nice presentation!
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Smoli4
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Smoli4 wrote:
Thank you!
Visual, you made me take more pictures of the lenses concentrating on coatings and I must admit it was quite fun, and results for my eye, are beautiful 
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Attila
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Indeed, creative series! I love them all!
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stingOM
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stingOM wrote:
lovely product shots! |
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Keysersoze27
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
The Super Takumar here is a Single Coating lens. The other 2 are multi coated.Of course they look quite different .
The Super Tak has higher radioactivity that the other two , hence the higher yellowing that adds to the final coating colour...
The 2 SMC have the same coatings but cleaning habits  from the owners can remove partially some layers from the coatings and thus the small differences...Build quality has already declined from the Super-->S-M-C and ever more to the SMC so it might have less hard coatings than the S-M-C ...e.t.c
Major Pentax coatings differences are mainly seen in the A line of lenses and some minor in the M ...
What exactly are we looking for here????
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28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
| Smoli4 wrote: |
| Visual, you made me take more pictures of the lenses concentrating on coatings and I must admit it was quite fun, and results for my eye, are beautiful |
Well your photos made me realize photos like these should be included with any lens presentation, to illustrate the lens formula, so I guess we're even! 
My eyes behold beauty too. Like Attila says the lenses are like jewels -- more especially so when in lighting as here!
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Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
Lenses:
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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