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kukhuvud
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 Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:40 am Post subject: Meyer Lydith vs. Meyer Orestegon |
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kukhuvud wrote:
So, if given a choice between a 29mm F/2.8 Meyer Orestegon or a 30mm F/3.5 Meyer Lydith, assuming both were in perfect condition and their prices were affordable.... which would you guys choose? |
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Arkku
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Arkku wrote:
Lydith. I have Pentacon versions of both. |
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IAZA
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:29 am Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
lydith, I think Pentacon has better coating
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Lydith, excellent lens, I use mine a lot.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Quality control for the 29/2.8 was very bad, you are far more likely to get a good lens if you go for the 30/3.5.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
+1 to Lydith
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iangreenhalgh1
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:36 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
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| Quality control for the 29/2.8 was very bad, you are far more likely to get a good lens if you go for the 30/3.5. |
That explains why some people love the 29 and others say it's crap!
Lots and lots of Meyer/Pentacon 3.5/30s on ebay and they go pretty cheap, a total bargain, I love mine.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Pentacon 30 is an excellent lens, I had one too.
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estudleon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:43 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
In 28 mm there are two classic schames, the 7 and the 5 elements lenses.
The MC Pentacon is a tipical 7 elements wide angle near to 28 mm. Except for the so so QC.
Perhaps the Orestegon version had a better QC.
Nice to see a good comparison between both, the Orestegon and the Lidith (or pentacon).
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Phenix jc
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
Meyer or Pentacon 29mm has an extended range (nice bokeh) and is sharp with a good sample
(sometimes, with a "bad" sample, you just have to screw the front &/or the rear of the lens. GDR's mechanics...)
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dsmlogger
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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dsmlogger wrote:
I too agree that the Lydith 30mm f/3.5 is "better".
However, choosing between them would be a tough call. I already own both lenses and they are pretty different.
Lydith is definitely sharper and more consistent, but the Pentacon has a very "sweet" colour rendering which give a distinctive "vintage" look on pictures.
I already have AF digital lenses that are sharp and consistent (Zuiko), what I am looking for from old lenses is the vintage look and soft bokeh and the 29mm seems t have the edge there.
So, I would choose both, as I did... |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Pentacon 2.8/28 in PB mount also has those vintage qualities, I have two copies, both excellent, I use them when I want to do artistic work, for more standard work, the Lydith is my choice, or my Konica Hexanon 3.5/28.
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martinsmith99
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martinsmith99 wrote:
Lydith! Shame I cannot use on my DSLR 
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
| martinsmith99 wrote: |
| Lydith! Shame I cannot use on my DSLR |
Why is that? The mirror issue with Canon?
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NewStuff
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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NewStuff wrote:
Lydith... Another owner here. It's by far my most used lens. I love it, and get some awesome pictures out of it.
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kukhuvud
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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kukhuvud wrote:
Wow, what a consensus! 
I guess Lydith it is, though I think I'll try to get both. Both have been completely serviced, so I have no worries that I'll be getting something misadjusted! |
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
You guys have made me buy another lens. The Meyer Lydith.
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GrahamNR17
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
My experience of both:
Lydith: Horrible, low contrast, given to flair. Just plain nasty
Pentacon version: Much, much better. Quite contrasty, sharp, but with the ugliest bokeh I have ever seen. Again, nasty.
Orestegon in the Pentacon PB version: Stunningly good. Contrasty, nice bokeh. I had to remove the rear mount and realign the rear block of elements (easy, three screws).
I'd swap both my Lydiths for a M42 Orestegon any day |
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Lydith doesn't have ugly bokeh at all, nothing nasty about it, you must have had two damaged copies.
Pentacon 3.5/30 (Lydith) bokeh:
It isn't that lacking in contrast either, this is shot directly against the sunlight, albeit not the sunniest day but I didn't even have a hood on the lens for this shot, nothing that a slight tweak in PP wouldn't fix.
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woodrim
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
Bokeh is in the eyes of the beholder. I like the bokeh in that first shot, Ian, and you almost got the rest in focus.
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iangreenhalgh1
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Aye, I missed the focus slightly on the berries but I nailed it on the barbed wire.
I have a lot of pictures taken with the Lydith/Pentacon, never found any trouble with it at all, maybe I have a unusually good copy? You never know with GDR QC....
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Excalibur wrote:
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My experience of both:
Lydith: Horrible, low contrast, given to flair. Just plain nasty
Pentacon version: Much, much better. Quite contrasty, sharp, but with the ugliest bokeh I have ever seen. Again, nasty.
Orestegon in the Pentacon PB version: Stunningly good. Contrasty, nice bokeh. I had to remove the rear mount and realign the rear block of elements (easy, three screws).
I'd swap both my Lydiths for a M42 Orestegon any day |
Well I had the Pentacon 30mm for a day and took three shots and they were sharp and contrasty (on film), I must have had a brain fart as I bought it off the bay for £8 and returned it because of very stiff focusing....erm didn't think of a squirt of WD40 to free it.
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woodrim
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:52 am Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
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Aye, I missed the focus slightly on the berries but I nailed it on the barbed wire.
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Sure did!
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estudleon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
With the relativity of the tests, and knowing that almost everybody just see it, here is:
http://foto.recenzja.pl/Subjects-index-req-listpages-subid-1.html
Some tests anad, amongo them, the pentacons 29 and 30 mm lenses.
Rino
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Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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kukhuvud
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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kukhuvud wrote:
So, just as a follow up, I ended up buying three lenses today! I bought both the Lydith 30mm and the Oreston 29mm and added a Oreston 50mm 1.8 because it was there 
These were being sold by The Lens Doctor and so all have been converted to EOS mount and completely restored. I can't wait to get to shooting! |
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