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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
yes totally agree with the take on nikon. it wouldve been better if they did nothing at all than what they actually did do.
no on the assessment of m4/3. i hve an ep2, i really like it, but the sensor is just too small, high iso/low light performance stinks pure and simple. they say its ok until 1600, but i disagree. in low light it stinks at 800 and really isnt so great even at 400. dont get me wrong, for most of todays uses 400 low light is fine, but when you compare it to other mirrored dslrs it really doesnt hold its own.
apsc is much better low light performer, especially coupled with samsung software. i think this system has the most promise for those of us who want real semi pro dslr performance in a smaller package. i thimk the next round of sonys, ricohs and fujis will prove this to be true. expect nothing from canon and nikon, they just dont get it, like the article said. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
I agree I would add to the failures the HP Tablet and the IBM machine where every hardware change meant updating a system registration floppy disk. Then there was the Nokia 'Apple / Android competitor'...Talk about stupid!
The same happened with Borders the bookstore.. once huge now.. bankrupt as it never made it to the E-Book universe..
Anyway back to 4/3 and m4/3 I think it IS the future in terms of size / performance. We have aps / apc sized sensors now, like the K5 which can support astronomical ISO levels.. yet only a few years ago the Nikon D1x was state of the art.. I am sure that a similar improvement to the 4/3 sensor family is coming... then the NEX will feel the pinch as it is tiny camera, but huge lenses.. and having to wrap that much light around to hit the sensor from such a short registration means very complex sensor design...
So.. I shall carry on buying up the world's supply of C, S and D lenses in case I am wrong and the Pen-Nikon size takes off, but meanwhile I shall support m4/3
Doug _________________ Lenses and cameras:
Amateurs worry about equipment
Pros worry about money,
Masters worry about light. |
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
I think the Panasonic GH series and G3 works well with the m4/3 format. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
from what ive seen the low light performance of panny, especially without the in body IS of the olly, is just as poor. just my opinion. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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std
Joined: 09 Feb 2010 Posts: 1826 Location: Bulgaria
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
I agree with him - the launch of Nikon 1 just made m4/3 look better, at least for me. It's a system of choices. looking forward to even better sensors and lenses for m4/3. _________________ Stefan
My lens list:
SLR MD: Rokkor 1,7/50 Exakta: Kilfitt-Makro-Kilar E 3.5/4cm; CZJ 2/50 Pancolar;M42: CZJ 2.8/50 Tessar; Mir-1B 2.8/37; Jupiter-9 2/85 T-mount: Tamron 5.9/200; Tamron 6.9/300; Tamron 7.5/400 C-mount: Cosmicar 1.8/50 Y/S: Sun 3.5/38-90, Sun 4/70-210 RF Contax RF: Jupiter-8 2/50; Contax G:CZ 2,8/21 Biogon T; CZ 2,8/28 Biogon T; CZ 2/35 Planar T; CZ 2/45 Planar T; CZ 2,8/90 Sonnar T |
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beomagi
Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 46
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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beomagi wrote:
I don't think the size of the sensor is too small - I think it's the quality of the sensor.
That said, m43rs has been getting some very sharp glass, and along with the blessing of the weak AA filter results in very high resolution images.
Noise is a problem in darker areas, but you have to approach that as well. I've been able to get decent ISO 3200 images after post processing. My 5d is way better - no question (actually I can pull ISO 1600 and not worry about underexposure there). But, I've been very satisfied with m43rds.
It's small and convenient - It's packed in my bag every day. If I'm without my 5d, I don't feel lacking - especially If I'm using flash. |
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:31 am Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
nemesis101 wrote: |
Anyway back to 4/3 and m4/3 I think it IS the future in terms of size / performance. ..
Doug |
yes. If I was not into using old, manual lenses but new AF lenses only already now a m4/3 would be the camera of my choice _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16628 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:26 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
All I can say is that my clients are very happy with the results and that my
Nikon, Canon, Sigma etc. bodies start to collect dust
Isn't it like in the old saying: "Size does not matter, it depends on how you work with it" _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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