View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
gareth12468
Joined: 19 Mar 2010 Posts: 33 Location: Canada
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:13 pm Post subject: Question about Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8 |
|
|
gareth12468 wrote:
What's the different between the Trioplan 100/2.8 and Trioplan N 100/2.8?
All I know is the number of blades are different between the two..... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
Expire: 2025-11-18
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Attila wrote:
They have different optical scheme and different looking too.
Trioplan 100 silver is a manual lens available with M42 and Exakta mount and in some special case it has unique bokeh.
Trioplan 100N has only Exakta version it as a manual/auto lens with Exakta bulb. Optical quality is excellent, different than other , more looks like other good 100mm lenses.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/meyer/trioplan_100mm_f2_8/
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/meyer/trioplan_100mm_f2_8_exa/ _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
Last edited by Attila on Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:43 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
BRunner wrote:
From my tests, optical scheme is probably the same. Difference is only mechanical and number of aperture blades. _________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
CarbonR
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Posts: 1969 Location: Clermont-Ferrand, France
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
CarbonR wrote:
My N has only 6 straight aperture blades _________________ Cameras : Canon 5D, Pentax K100D, Pentax 6x7, Spotmatic
Lenses : 15mm to 1000mm (24x36)
My websites : [FR & ENG]Takumar - the eyes of the Spotmatic : info about all Takumar lenses // Kogaku - My photo site
I am selling : Takumar lenses and rare Pentax bodies, pm me if you're interested in something [MFLenses feed-back]
Information on Takumar lenses with samples :
Wide angle : Takumar 15/3.5 15mm, Takumar 17/4 17mm, Takumar 18/11 18mm, Takumar 20/4.5 20mm, Takumar 24/3.5 24mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V1 28mm, Takumar 28/3.5 V2 28mm, Takumar 35/2 V1 35mm, Takumar 35/2 V2 35mm, Takumar 35/2.3 35mm, Takumar 35/3.5 35mm, Takumar 35/4 35mm
Standard : Takumar 50/1.4 V1 50mm, Takumar 50/1.4 V2 50mm, Takumar 50/3.5 50mm, Takumar 50/4 50mm, Takumar 55/2 55/1.8 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V1 55mm, Takumar 55/2.2 V2 55mm, Takumar 58/2 58mm, Takumar 58/2.4 58mm
Short tele : Takumar 83/1.9 83mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85/1.9 85mm, Takumar 85/1.8 85mm, Takumar 100/2 100mm, Takumar 100/3.5 100mm, Takumar 100/4 100mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V1 105mm, Takumar 105/2.8 V2 105mm, Takumar 120/2.8 120mm
Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
Zoom : Zoom-Takumar 45~125/4 , Zoom-Takumar 70~150/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 85~210/4.5 , Zoom-Takumar 135~600/6.7
Achromatic : Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85/4.5 , Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 300/5.6 300mm |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
Expire: 2014-11-24
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ManualFocus-G wrote:
My experience matches Attila's i.e. the N version is sharper and without the crazy bokeh. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1632 Location: Germany
Expire: 2011-12-02
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
ZoneV wrote:
BRunner wrote: |
From my tests, optical scheme is probably the same. Difference is only mechanical and number of aperture blades. |
So you have the pronounced soap bubble bokeh with the N version too (when used wideopen)? _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
BRunner wrote:
Here is my older comparison (my contrast torture test) on crop camera. Wide open, bokeh looks same for all versions. Just for comparison, I added Pentacon 2.8/100. Except contrast, I don't see any difference between the tree Trioplans. Stopped down bokeh of N version is ruined by 6 blades aperture.
@f2.8 old EXA V 120xxxx
@f2.8 M42 without V 256xxxx
@f2.8 EXA N 351xxxx
@f2.8 Pentacon 2.8/100
Stopped down:
@f5.6 old EXA V 120xxxx
@f5.6 M42 without V 256xxxx
@f5.6 EXA N 351xxxx
@f5.6 Pentacon 2.8/100
_________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
Expire: 2025-11-18
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Attila wrote:
Not in every shooting situation get unique bokeh , rendering from a Trioplan lens. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
|
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
BRunner wrote:
I don't understand Attila. All Trioplans show typical edged bokeh with flare wide-open. Pentacon is much smoother with very well suppressed flare (best Meyer lens ever made for me). _________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1632 Location: Germany
Expire: 2011-12-02
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
ZoneV wrote:
Thank you BRrunner!
Seems like all Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8 versions have this bokeh rendering style - used wideopen. _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
nixland
Joined: 30 Jan 2011 Posts: 577
Expire: 2012-07-29
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
nixland wrote:
Great comparison shots BRunner. Thanks for sharing. _________________ Carl Zeiss Jena: Biotar 58/2 1Q, DDR Pancolar 80/1.8 MC, Biotar 75/1.5, Biotar 10cm/2, DDR Sonnar 135/3.5 MC
Carl Zeiss C/Y: Planar 50/1.4 T*, Planar 85/1.4 T*, Planar 100/2 T*, Sonnar 135/2.8 T*
Leica: Summicron-R 35/2 v1, Summicron-R 50/2, Summilux-R 80/1.4, Summicron-R 90/2
Pentax: A 50/1.2
Minolta: Rokkor MC 58/1.2, Rokkor MC 85/1.7, Rokkor MC 100/2, MD 200/2.8
Olympus: Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2, Zuiko 50/1.2, Zuiko MC Auto-T 85/2, Zuiko Auto-T 100/2
Nikon: Nikkor 28/2.8 Ais, Nikkor 85/1.8, Nikkor 105/1.8, 300/2.8 ED (Ais)
Canon: FD 50/1.2 L, FD 85/1.2 L
Sony: 135/2.8 STF
Jupiter: 85/2 Alu
Cyclop: 85/1.5
Meyer-Optic: Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5
Samyang: 8/3.5 FE, 14/2.8, 85/1.4, 85/1.4 UMC
FOR SALE
Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 10cm/2 || Carl Zeiss ZE Distagon 28/2 || Minolta Rokkor MD 35/1.8 || Rokkor-X MC 85/1.7 || Rokkor MD 85/1.7 || Olympus Zuiko MC Auto-W 21/2 || Olympus 100/2 || Nikon Nikkor 35/1.4 || Canon: FD 55/1.2 || Vivitar 90/2.5 Series 1 VMC || Tamron: 90/2.5 SP
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3702 Location: Slovenia, EU
Expire: 2013-11-18
|
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
Pancolart wrote:
Yes, that 100mm Pentacon just sat me down though i was sitting already . You obviously have great copy. _________________ ---------------------------------
The Peculiar Apparatus Of Victorian Steampunk Photography: 100+ Genuine Steampunk Camera Designs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B92829NS |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gareth12468
Joined: 19 Mar 2010 Posts: 33 Location: Canada
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
gareth12468 wrote:
Thanks BRunner...... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
thePiRaTE!!
Joined: 31 Oct 2008 Posts: 416 Location: Canada
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
thePiRaTE!! wrote:
+1, Interesting comparison thank-you BRunner. I note the dramatic improvement in multi-coating, increasing contrast, though the actual sharpness is quite similar between them. Contrast affects perception of sharpness. Once contrast is restored to shots taken with older Trioplan, I guess it would appear much closer in this regard. If you feel up to it, perhaps show a 100% crop from Pentacon and M42, and try a sample with contrast (only) corrected with M42 - I'd be curious to see it.
The bokeh on the Pentacon is more even - smoother - in its edge highlighting, without the very fine, strong outlining. Ironically, as much stronger as it seems the Pentacon appears for general picture taking, it looks less interesting to me from a character stand-point. Much more normal, but to me this makes it compete with a lot of modern lenses available.
K. _________________ kellysereda.com
Sony A7ii, A900, NEX-5
_______________________
Helios: 1.5/85 40-2.
Meyer-Optik: Trioplan 2.8/100, Oreston 1.8/50.
Minolta: Rokkor-PG 1.2/58.
Porst: 1.2/55 Color Reflex.
Sony: 4-5.6/70-400 G.
Takumar: Super Takumar 3.5/135, Super Takumar 1.4/50, SMC Takumar 3.5/28.
Topcon: Topcor 1.4/58.
Voigtländer: Nokton Classic SC 1.4/35.
Zeiss: Planar T*1.2/85 "60 jahre" C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*3.4/35-70 C/Y, Vario-Sonnar T*2.8/16-35 ZA, Distagon T*2/24 ZA.
lenses for sale here
Last edited by thePiRaTE!! on Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:00 pm; edited 2 times in total |
|
Back to top |
|
|
BRunner
Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 705 Location: Czech Republic
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
BRunner wrote:
Pancolart wrote: |
Yes, that 100mm Pentacon just sat me down though i was sitting already . You obviously have great copy. |
I have three copies. Two auto Pentacon versions, and one older Meyer preset 12 blade version and all perform equally well. _________________ .: APO-Maniac :. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
Expire: 2025-11-18
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Attila wrote:
BRunner wrote: |
Pancolart wrote: |
Yes, that 100mm Pentacon just sat me down though i was sitting already . You obviously have great copy. |
I have three copies. Two auto Pentacon versions, and one older Meyer preset 12 blade version and all perform equally well. |
+1
I have/had several copies too, all works fine same way. Built quality is very low , many of my lenses have faulties, but optical quality is first class. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
tirza
Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 4
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
tirza wrote:
does anyone know what years these lens were made in? is the aluminium version older than the black one? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16625 Location: Weinheim, Germany
Expire: 2021-03-09
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
kds315* wrote:
yes, the black ones were made much later. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
Expire: 2013-11-18
|
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
martinsmith99 wrote:
My word, that Pentacon is stunning! _________________ Casual attendance these days |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|