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TEST 100mm for landscape: Macro vs Portrait
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:46 pm    Post subject: TEST 100mm for landscape: Macro vs Portrait Reply with quote

Many vintage lenses in the 100mm range are well known excellent performers. Often they are small and quite lightweight - which means they are perfect for landscapes when hiking. Especially in the mountains a slightly longer focal length often is better than e. g. a 35mm or a 28mm wideangle; the mountains simply look more majestic from a distance (taken with 100mm or 200mm) than from near (35mm or 28mm).

For years I have been using the Minolta AF 2.8/100mm Macro as a small tele and macro lens when biking in our Alps, usually along with a 20mm, an 50mm and a fast 200mm APO.

Since most manufacturers did have a "portrait type" and a "macro" lens with 100mm focal length, I have compared the corresponding MF lenses from Canon (FD 2.8/100mm vs FD 4/100mm Macro), Minolta (MD 2.5/100mm vs MD 4/100mm Macro) and Nikon (Nikkor 2.5/105mm vs Micro Nikkor 4/105mm). In addition I have included two famous lenses from Minoltas first AF series, the AF 2/100mm and the 2.8/100mm Macro. Both are beautifully machined, and both have all-metal barrels (including the focus grip!). Finally two Minolta AF zooms from the same generation are included as well: The AF 4-4.5/28-135mm and the 4.5-5.6/75-300mm. Both zooms were aimed at professional users and priced >CHF 1000.-- around 1988. They were more expensive than the AF 2/100mm or the AF 2/28mm.

Now - here are the test images:



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those zooms are looking pretty impressive, but then again not all the macro lenses are optimised for infinity, so maybe that's more impressive?

I think a bokeh test would seperate these out pretty quickly.


PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AF lenses are impressively sharp in the corners, but have pretty visible purple fringing. That is about all others except the AF 2/100 lens which looks the best from all points of view.

Nice comparison, Stephan, thank you for delivering a clear idea!


PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting comparison, thanks.

The Minolta MDIII 2.5/100, was that really shot at f/2.8 (a bit tricky to do on that lens, no click-stop at f/2.8 ), or was it actually at f/2.5?


Also, I have seen that house a few times before!

Are the owners perchance getting a bit paranoid by now, or did you ever explain why you so often have a camera pointed somewhat in their direction? Wink


PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remarkable performance of the MDiii 100/2.5. Especially considering its size.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. FD 100 2,8 also if you can deal with chromatic aberration.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Stephan/stevemark;

I'll say it again -- you are the reason I opened up an account here. Thank you so much for this test.

I would love if you could include the FD 2/100 in the future, a known fantastic lens. The minolta counterpart looks terrific.

I'm a big fan of the FD 100/2.8 so i am pleased to see it doing well. As for the Nikkor 105, probably what we're looking is field curvature... i wonder how a test with refocused corners will look.

You have uploaded a "bokeh test" of some of those lenses but the resolution is too low to judge. How about doing a portrait test with some of those lenses, using a real model (or a mannequin)? Because those 100 (except the macro lenses) were mostly intended for giving a pleasing, "natural" look.


PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also interesting to see the difference between the Minolta MDiii 100/2.5 and Nikkor-P 105/2.5 xenotar.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some of those lenses again, this time showing their performance at the image center:



As expected, most lenses have a really sharp image center. Wide open, the contrast may be slightly lower, but stopped to f4.0 both contrast as well as resolution are really good. The only exceptions are the Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumat 2.8/105mm and (to a lesser extent) the Mamiya Sekor SX 2.8/105mm. Especially the Pentax clearly has a lower contrast. When it comes to corner performance (not shown here), the Pentax is quite a bit inferior to most other lenses; only the Mamyia also suffers from a relatively low resolution.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir,

I find the Leitz elmarit 100mm quite good both for close and far subject matter, but the helix needs quite a lot of twisting.

p.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulhofseth wrote:
Sir,

I find the Leitz elmarit 100mm quite good both for close and far subject matter, but the helix needs quite a lot of twisting.

p.


Many moons ago I wisely decided to stay clear of Zeiss CY and Leitz Leica R lenses ...Wink

That said, I have a Leica R 2.8/135mm and a few Leica SLRs which were simply too cheap to ignore, so I know how smooth they operate. Actually I have some collector friends who own some pretty nice Leica R stuff, and I might try to get them involved with testing / comparing. Thanks for the hint!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
Here are some of those lenses again, this time showing their performance at the image center:

As expected, most lenses have a really sharp image center. Wide open, the contrast may be slightly lower, but stopped to f4.0 both contrast as well as resolution are really good. The only exceptions are the Pentax Super-Multi-Coated Takumat 2.8/105mm and (to a lesser extent) the Mamiya Sekor SX 2.8/105mm. Especially the Pentax clearly has a lower contrast. When it comes to corner performance (not shown here), the Pentax is quite a bit inferior to most other lenses; only the Mamyia also suffers from a relatively low resolution.

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Surprisingly good performance of the Topcor wide open. I'm glad to have a prestine one in my collection. It's true that 100mm-ish lenses are often good performers, and I find it also a very pleasant focal length to work with. I played around with quite a few of them. I will open a seperate thread about some experiences with these lenses, maybe it's useful for some.


PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

100mm seems to be Minolta's realm. Sure Canon's 100 2,8 or Topcor are doing extremely well. But why bother?