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Laurence
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 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: Breaking the Rules! |
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Laurence wrote:
For fun, I thought I'd post these two images, because a photographer who
I didn't know very well (thank goodness) got very mad when I showed
some proofs of these at a meeting. Why was he mad? Because he said
I was "breaking the rules - the daffodils are pointing the wrong way and
lead you the wrong way, and the one with the Devil's Club is not
properly balanced." I just kinda shrugged; I mean, what am I
supposed to do, get into an argument or something? 
So, I thought I'd show these rule-breakers before I get hauled off to
the photo critique jail. 
Daffodils are actually a severe crop from a Yashica Mat slide. And yes,
they make me almost dizzy, pointing off to the left like that. 
Daffodils Against the Rules
Yashica Mat 124
Ektachrome 100
This image of the Devil's Club is the "unbalanced" one. Actually, I kind
of like the unusual aspect of it, and I think that the very large mass of
the logs balance off the main subject area.
Interestingly, I actually had to climb down into a "hole" to get this image.
There were 3 large logs behind me as I took this shot, that I had to
drop down to ground level. It was like being in a cave. As you can see,
the ground cover is only the basic Oxalis and the Devil's Club, because
only a minimal amount of light gets in there.
Log Cave with Unbalanced Composition
Pentax 645
Pentax-A 45/2.8
f:11 and 1/60th
Provia
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Attila
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I see nothing wrong , just good as than any others.
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Gurdie
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
Hmm.. these "rule followers" are probably looking for perfection...
When I look at Your pics, I get the feeling, that You are more interested in
the imperfection, or variety, in nature... or perhaps, the perfection by the endless variations in the nature...
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Laurence
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| Gurdie wrote: |
Hmm.. these "rule followers" are probably looking for perfection...
When I look at Your pics, I get the feeling, that You are more interested in
the imperfection, or variety, in nature... or perhaps, the perfection by the endless variations in the nature... |
Thanks Attila and Gurdie. Human nature never fails to amaze me. Why
would anyone get all bent out of shape because I'm not following some
kind of rules? It seems that, if someone is THAT intense about it, then
he or she could be on the track for a heart attack or something, just
from the stress of seeing such off-the-wall images.
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Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
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Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
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rbelyell
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
larry, as my dad always said 'there are more horses asses in this world than horses'!
personally, i think some people are so insecure and their worlds are so small they are easily thrown off balance. creativity negates their careful cultivation of peer praise that never seems to fill the hole of their negative self image. (i took psychobabble in school)
i enjoy seeing the rules broken, thats how we got the wheel! i also enjoy photos and other works of art that knock us off balance or show a different perspective to an all too familiar scene. in the end, the artist is the ultimate judge of their own work, opinion/rules be damned.
i recently posted the back of a daffodil to show off kodak retina lenses on m4/3 cams, and that shot is one of my favorites. i love your daffodil shot as well. keep breaking the rules til the number of horses catches up with their backsides!
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Laurence
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Laurence wrote:
An off-topic note: The rivers draining the high country of the Olympic
peninsula are going over flood stage. Usually, when the temperature
gets warm enough, and the snow starts to melt, the rivers get very
full but NOT at a flood stage.
However, we have 200% of normal snowfall this year in the mountains.
I usually take a long hike to the high country anywhere from mid-July
to the first week of September. This year, I'll have to wait until mid-
September if I don't want to travel on a lot of snow. 
I have heard that the Columbia river is also running very strong, but
that will certainly help the power grid from the turbines at Grand Coulee
Dam and Bonneville Dam. The headwaters of the Columbia are in
north central Washington and in British Columbia. They have also
experienced a very deep snowpack.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Nesster
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Nesster wrote:
Speaking of the wrong way, the rivers out there flow to the left, which is absolutely WRONG. All rivers should flow south-east.
If you flip the first one so the daffys are pointing right, I wonder if you'd have been approved?
I think both are dynamic compositions that imply the power of nature.
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
While waiting for the Devils Club to download (dialup) I was thinking of those devils club-filled gullies up on Mount Baker, wondering how the heck you climbed into one of those (don't try that at home) I'll bet the berries are getting ripe there now.
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visualopsins
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visualopsins wrote:
| Nesster wrote: |
| Speaking of the wrong way, the rivers out there flow to the left, which is absolutely WRONG. All rivers should flow south-east. |
 the rivers farther south here flow north same as the Nile
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cooltouch
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
| Nesster wrote: |
| Speaking of the wrong way, the rivers out there flow to the left, which is absolutely WRONG. All rivers should flow south-east. |
I think there's this pesky geological feature called the Continental Divide that's pretty much made that sort of decision for us.
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If you flip the first one so the daffys are pointing right, I wonder if you'd have been approved? |
Hah! Good one!
@Larry, I can see what it is that this fellow was objecting to, but I guess I would have been surprised too that he is so hidebound by the rules that he gets upset when he sees them violated. This reminds me of the very old times -- say the 17th and 18th centuries -- when musicians would become furious when some brazen composer or another broke the rules. People like Bach and Beethoven. Well, Bach didn't really break the rules, he just bent them so far that I think they stayed that way once he let go of them. Beethoven smashed them to smithereens, however.
So anyway, here's the way I see it, and this is itself a rule, IMO: if you know the rules that you're breaking, then it's okay to break them because it becomes a conscious decision.
BTW, Larry, do you have your slides developed locally or do you send them out -- to a place like Dwayne's for example?
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