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Carl Zeiss 190mm f/2.8 Olympic Sonnar?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Carl Zeiss 190mm f/2.8 Olympic Sonnar? Reply with quote
Does this predate the 180mm? Or is it a try at getting closer to a 200mm without quite going there? Odd!! Anyone ever use one? Is it as good as the 180 Olympic?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CARL-ZEISS-JENA-SONNAR-2-8-190-LENS-M42-PK-ADAPTER-/370457700968?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item5640ffea68


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's M42 so it's post-war.

The Olympic Sonnar was for the 36 Olympics so this doesn't predate that lens imho.

Apart from that I don't know, it looks like it has a very similar rear end and tripod mount to the Olympic.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
that is the usual 180, but the paint of the 8 is partly missing.
Klaus


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It's M42 so it's post-war.

The Olympic Sonnar was for the 36 Olympics so this doesn't predate that lens imho.

Apart from that I don't know, it looks like it has a very similar rear end and tripod mount to the Olympic.


The later 180mm lens of this style were called Olympic lens even when made in the 1950's. Just kinda of an odd duck this 190mm. Same style as the 180 and 300mm but A 190MM? Why? Weird I'd say.
I can't believe many were made or a long run of them were released. It is the exact configuration as my 300mm f/4. The only 180mm of this style on the Bay right now is going for over $1000 US!!! Yikes!!!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exaklaus wrote:
that is the usual 180, but the paint of the 8 is partly missing.
Klaus


Thank you Klaus!! After Zooming in I can see that now!! Mystery solved. Don't know if it is worth that much with fungus on the lens though!!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can get it cheaper with little luck and in good condition, due pretty rare, prices are in huge range. I still have four of them if I remember as well , usually I sell them around 200-250 USD. Their quality is mixed, one most abused one quality is equal like Carl Zeiss T* Sonnar 180mm f2.8 Contax.
Others are more less same than you current black MC some of them weaker some of them equal.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big Dawg wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It's M42 so it's post-war.

The Olympic Sonnar was for the 36 Olympics so this doesn't predate that lens imho.

Apart from that I don't know, it looks like it has a very similar rear end and tripod mount to the Olympic.


The later 180mm lens of this style were called Olympic lens even when made in the 1950's. Just kinda of an odd duck this 190mm. Same style as the 180 and 300mm but A 190MM? Why? Weird I'd say.
I can't believe many were made or a long run of them were released. It is the exact configuration as my 300mm f/4. The only 180mm of this style on the Bay right now is going for over $1000 US!!! Yikes!!!


Yes, they made the Olympic into the 50s at least.

By predate, I was referring to the optical design, not the date of manufacture, I meant this must have been a later design than the original 36 Olympic.

But then Klaus cleared up the mystery!

To think, I saw a 180 Olympic in good condition at a car boot sale and didn't buy it because I didn't realise what it was at the time, it was in two pieces - lens and mount, the lens screws into the large cast metal mount, as you know, it was disassembled in this way and in a cardboard box, he wanted 25ukp for it and I didn't buy it. Only later when I read about the Olympic Sonnar online I realised what I had missed out on. To think, he had that Sonnar for 25 quid and I bought a Schneider enlarger lens for a tenner off him instead...


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
You can get it cheaper with little luck and in good condition, due pretty rare, prices are in huge range. I still have four of them if I remember as well , usually I sell them around 200-250 USD. Their quality is mixed, one most abused one quality is equal like Carl Zeiss T* Sonnar 180mm f2.8 Contax.
Others are more less same than you current black MC some of them weaker some of them equal.


I was thinking in the 250-300 dollar range but for one in EX+ condition. Not worth it to me if in the shape this one is in.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Big Dawg wrote:
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It's M42 so it's post-war.

The Olympic Sonnar was for the 36 Olympics so this doesn't predate that lens imho.

Apart from that I don't know, it looks like it has a very similar rear end and tripod mount to the Olympic.


The later 180mm lens of this style were called Olympic lens even when made in the 1950's. Just kinda of an odd duck this 190mm. Same style as the 180 and 300mm but A 190MM? Why? Weird I'd say.
I can't believe many were made or a long run of them were released. It is the exact configuration as my 300mm f/4. The only 180mm of this style on the Bay right now is going for over $1000 US!!! Yikes!!!


Yes, they made the Olympic into the 50s at least.

By predate, I was referring to the optical design, not the date of manufacture, I meant this must have been a later design than the original 36 Olympic.

But then Klaus cleared up the mystery!

To think, I saw a 180 Olympic in good condition at a car boot sale and didn't buy it because I didn't realise what it was at the time, it was in two pieces - lens and mount, the lens screws into the large cast metal mount, as you know, it was disassembled in this way and in a cardboard box, he wanted 25ukp for it and I didn't buy it. Only later when I read about the Olympic Sonnar online I realised what I had missed out on. To think, he had that Sonnar for 25 quid and I bought a Schneider enlarger lens for a tenner off him instead...


We all have missed out on good ones. That was one for you my friend!! LOL I had a 1969 Boss 302 Mustang. My wife totaled it. in 1970!!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big Dawg wrote:
We all have missed out on good ones. That was one for you my friend!! LOL I had a 1969 Boss 302 Mustang. My wife totaled it. in 1970!!


Oh hell, that one would have hurt at the time! May I enquire, did you keep the wife or trade her in for a more reliable model? lol

Which reminds me, i should have been to the post office today, sorry, completely forgot because the sun came out and I went out with my newly arrived Praktica BC1 to shoot some film (for the first time in nearly 15 years).

My bad, I will get myself to the PO tomorrow!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finger crossed Ian to get great experience at first time to shoot film again.
BTW my best Olympic Sonnar what is most abused and I couldn't sell for 600 USD I found it also with stuck focus, first pictures made with feet focus Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Attila, I'm just waiting for a few rolls of BW film to arrive then I can develop those myself.

Call me strange but I'm really, really excited to be about to shoot BW 120 rollfilm in a 1950's Ensign Selfix then develop it myself with some 1960's Ilford Hyfin developer in an 1950's Patterson tank.

I've always liked collecting old things but to be able to use them to make pictures just multiplies the pleasure!

And you can blame/thank Attila and the other members here for this new obsession of mine, I'd never dreamt of using old cameras to shoot film before I met you guys!

BTW, I had to use 'foot focus' today when shooting with my Visionar projector lens, I didn't find it unpleasant at all and didn't restrict my ability to take pictures, just meant more walking and I could do with the exercise!


PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Laughing I feel same , exciting to use old cameras not just looking them on self.
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