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tektrader
Joined: 14 May 2012
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 Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: Enlarger lenses to be used in PB-4 bellows |
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tektrader wrote:
Hi all, new to the forum but with a few questions I figure you may be able to answer for me.
I shoot Nikon and want to avoid paying $2000 for their PC-e tilt shift lenses.
I am looking at a PB-4 tilt shift bellows attachment BUT need a lens to focus way past the normal focal plane distance.
Figure an enlarger lens may be the answer. I know little or nothing about them.
1) can the Nikon enlarger mount be easily changed to Nikon F mount ?
2) what sort of focal plane distances do the Nikon enlarger lenses use?
3) which of the Nikon lenses is the best PQ wise. Or should I be looking at other brands?
4) They must have a working diaphram/aperture blades
Ideas Please? |
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jjphoto
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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jjphoto wrote:
I'm not really sure what you are asking, or what your application is.
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007
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Location: Oregon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Recommend for quality the El-nikkors, Rodenstock Rodagons and Schneider Componon-S line. Many have M39 thread except for 150mm+. You can buy a Nikon/M39 adapter very cheaply on Amazon or fleabay, which will allow you to mount on the PB4. Many people on this forum use this type of setup for macro. I find it a lot of fun.
patrickh
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DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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tektrader
Joined: 14 May 2012
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Location: Melbourne Australia
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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tektrader wrote:
Thanks for the replies.
The application is Tilt/shift with the ability to focus at infinity using a PB-4.
As I asked this a few weeks ago. Since I have actually bought the Nikon 28 F3.5 PC lens which gives me shift functions and will have to be enough for the moment as I ran out of cash.  |
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Lightshow
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
With a 50mm enlarger lens on my NEX-7 with an ~1cm M-mount adapter to attach my bellows I can't get infinity, 70mm does.
If you are using an DSLR with bellows, you may have better luck with medium/large format lenses.
With something like a NEX & M4/3 you can use a T/S lens with a tilting adapter to gain large format type movements.
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tektrader
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:49 am Post subject: |
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tektrader wrote:
I thought I may be able to use a Harblei tilt adaptor which costs $85 with my shift lens. But again it wont focus at infinity.
Basically it all got too hard. If you cant afford a PC-E lens dont bother.
http://www.hartblei.com/price_list.htm
The bellows solution may be possible BUT if you want wide angle it isnt a solution. |
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serema
Joined: 21 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:35 am Post subject: |
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serema wrote:
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Recommend for quality the El-nikkors, Rodenstock Rodagons and Schneider Componon-S line. Many have M39 thread except for 150mm+. You can buy a Nikon/M39 adapter very cheaply on Amazon or fleabay, which will allow you to mount on the PB4. Many people on this forum use this type of setup for macro. I find it a lot of fun.
patrickh |
Don't forget Meopta Meogon. I am really pleased with my copy. |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007
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Location: Oregon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Must try one
patrickh
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DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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jjphoto
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:09 am Post subject: |
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jjphoto wrote:
| serema wrote: |
| patrickh wrote: |
Recommend for quality the El-nikkors, Rodenstock Rodagons and Schneider Componon-S line. Many have M39 thread except for 150mm+. You can buy a Nikon/M39 adapter very cheaply on Amazon or fleabay, which will allow you to mount on the PB4. Many people on this forum use this type of setup for macro. I find it a lot of fun.
patrickh |
Don't forget Meopta Meogon. I am really pleased with my copy. |
Which one? They are available in several focal lengths and apertures.
JJ |
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serema
Joined: 21 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:35 am Post subject: |
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serema wrote:
| jjphoto wrote: |
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| patrickh wrote: |
Recommend for quality the El-nikkors, Rodenstock Rodagons and Schneider Componon-S line. Many have M39 thread except for 150mm+. You can buy a Nikon/M39 adapter very cheaply on Amazon or fleabay, which will allow you to mount on the PB4. Many people on this forum use this type of setup for macro. I find it a lot of fun.
patrickh |
Don't forget Meopta Meogon. I am really pleased with my copy. |
Which one? They are available in several focal lengths and apertures.
JJ |
Meogon S 2.8/50. Unfortunately I can't take sample pictures next weekend as I have absolutely too much to carry and I won't take tripod and macro focusing rail with me. |
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