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 Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: Fuji X100 - Film Emulation Auto-Bracketing |
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Laurence wrote:
For better or worse, here are the three auto-bracket images using the
X100's Film Emulation Auto-Bracketing. No post-processing except for
image size.
Light was changing a little with the sun shining at moderately different
intensities though the clouds.
It takes only one push of the shutter, and the camera develops for the
different "film types" in-camera, and presents the 3 images together
as a preview.
Astia
Velvia
Provia
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poilu wrote:
I don't see difference except for saturation
are those plastic flowers ?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
which one reflects the true colour best? |
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Laurence
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| poilu wrote: |
I don't see difference except for saturation
are those plastic flowers ? |
I agree with you.
The flowers are real, they are Trilliums in the woods behind my home.
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Laurence
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| stingOM wrote: |
| which one reflects the true colour best? |
Provia is pretty much "right on" the red and green colors of the actual
subjects.
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ylyad wrote:
Details in the shadows are also different, astia having more dynamic range. But in the end, Provia looks the best
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
I'll be shooting some more with the bracketed film emulation types. I am
curious to see what kinds of differences there could be other than
saturation and dynamic range.
Speaking of dynamic range, that is also bracketable.
ISO is also bracketable.
White Balance is bracketable.
Color Shift is bracketable.
AE is bracketable.
Shutter speed is bracketable.
Focus lock area is bracketable.
All bracketing modes are customizable. For instance, AE bracketing can be
as little as 1/3 stop (+ or -) or as much as 2 stops (+ or -), depending on
what the photographer wants.
One click of the shutter captures 3 bracketed images of the scene.
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am i crazy, or isnt the saturation difference the reason we shoot with velvia? and again maybe its me, but i find provia film to render color the most accurately out of the three...anyone agree? if answer to these is yes, then it appears these digital renditions have some merit...
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koji wrote:
Provia's green is closer to what I know about trillium plant, you know this
plant is Ontario's official flower for this province I am living in.
But I am not sure about "red back-sack?". 
an interesting feature!
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Laurence wrote:
| rbelyell wrote: |
| am i crazy, or isnt the saturation difference the reason we shoot with velvia? and again maybe its me, but i find provia film to render color the most accurately out of the three...anyone agree? if answer to these is yes, then it appears these digital renditions have some merit... |
You know...I have to agree with you on this. Saturation IS why I shoot
with Velvia. I might be expecting too much out of the film emulation;
perhaps it's doing simply what it's supposed to do. Also, the other
bracketable functions can certainly be customized to work along with the
film emulation. I think most of them are interchageable and can work in
unison.
Provia all the way, whether it be this simple emulation process or in
real transparencies!
Good points, rbelyell
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| koji wrote: |
Provia's green is closer to what I know about trillium plant, you know this
plant is Ontario's official flower for this province I am living in.
But I am not sure about "red back-sack?".
an interesting feature! |
koji, the Trillium (west coast style versus east coast style) was ALMOST
the state flower for Washington.
The reds in all of these are not quite "right" with the true color of the
rucksack. I thought they were right on, but now I'm looking at my
rucksack, and it's a bit of more "orange red".
But the green in Provia mode is spot-on for Trilliums.
Need to do more experimentation.
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Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
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Attila wrote:
This camera remind me to my SONY AF 16mm plastic lens one shoot is great another feel plastic. Current samples feel plastic to me like Patrick said.
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I also think that this is a very interesting feature.
We have to keep in mind that this cam is not aimed at the newbie hobbyist, but at experienced photographers who still remember what a film roll looks like. 
For those this feature is very nice and I really like the results and the differences (saturation, colours, dynamic range, contrast...)
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poilu wrote:
there is a thread on fm with excellent samples
now that raw is available, I am sure we will see nice quality
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To me, the film emulation modes are very close to what I've observed from shooting with them. My least favorite is Astia because it typically delivers what I see as washed out colors. The difference between Velvia and Provia is mostly saturation, but I also note that the shadows are a bit more prominent in the Velvia emulation than the Provia, and this is also what I have seen with the film emulsions. Velvia is more sensitive to shadows than Provia is -- or to put it another way, Velvia seems to have a narrower exposure latitude.
I think this is one cool feature with that camera. If it were mine, I would probably leave it permanently set to Provia mode. I can always bump up the saturation in PP, so I don't see the need for Velvia, really.
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Laurence wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| This camera remind me to my SONY AF 16mm plastic lens one shoot is great another feel plastic. Current samples feel plastic to me like Patrick said. |
Yes, Attila, that is true. Some of the shots from the X100 have been
very true without plastic look, while others seem less dynamic and
more like plastic.
I will eventually know how to use the camera to its fullest advantage, and
hopefully will have a high percentage of "true" images. 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| cooltouch wrote: |
To me, the film emulation modes are very close to what I've observed from shooting with them. My least favorite is Astia because it typically delivers what I see as washed out colors. The difference between Velvia and Provia is mostly saturation, but I also note that the shadows are a bit more prominent in the Velvia emulation than the Provia, and this is also what I have seen with the film emulsions. Velvia is more sensitive to shadows than Provia is -- or to put it another way, Velvia seems to have a narrower exposure latitude.
I think this is one cool feature with that camera. If it were mine, I would probably leave it permanently set to Provia mode. I can always bump up the saturation in PP, so I don't see the need for Velvia, really. |
Again, I agree with yet another opinion on here! You think like me, I
guess, because it was in my mind to just set to Provia as well. 
Perhaps it's just a weak gimmick. In any case, I'll still experiment and
see how things come out. If it never seems to do much for me, then
I can certainly ignore the film emulation modes.
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CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
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Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
The battery charger is falling apart.  
Such a beautifully machined camera, it truly is solid and nice. It seems
that they did not do their homework on the charger though. I have it
taped together now. One of the contacts just fell out of the housing,
and I already posted about the need to shim the battery in order to
maintain contact with the charger.
I have another charger with the same voltage regulator, so I'll start using
that one.
As you can see, I am trying to document the "good" with the "bad".
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CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
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Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
It looks like I'm consistently getting about 450 shots, give or take, with
a charged battery. This is in JPEG High mode and with a LOT of
chimping and reviewing.
So, it looks like it's "middle of the road" in how many images can be taken
on one charge. Not the best, not the worst.
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Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
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cooltouch wrote:
That sounds about right, compared to what I'm getting with my DSLR. I shoot in raw mode with it, though. Dunno if that makes a real difference or not. Plus, while I wouldn't say I do a lot of chimping, I do do a lot of Live View work, where the mirror's up and I'm viewing the scene directly off the sensor, so that's bound to eat battery life, I would think.
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