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gearsNcogs
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 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: Vivitar Series 1 85/1.4 VS Sigma 85mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM |
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gearsNcogs wrote:
I've wanted a nice, fast, 85mm lens for a while now, so i started to do some research.
The Vivitar is an MF lens, while the Sigma is an AF lens. I was only able to find Big Dawg's sample pictures with the search function, and his quick samples were amazing, but I was wondering if other people had similar experiences with the lens? What is the difference in the image quality of these two lenses?
I personally don't care about AF, so purely speaking of IQ and build quality, which is the better lens?
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my_photography wrote:
This MF lens has many names: Vivitar/Samyang/Polar/Rokinon 85/1.4.
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AhamB
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Vivitar Series 1 85/1.4 VS Sigma 85mm f/1.4 EX DG HSM |
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AhamB wrote:
| gearsNcogs wrote: |
| I personally don't care about AF, so purely speaking of IQ and build quality, which is the better lens? |
The Contax 85/1.4, imo.  The Samyang has more smooth bokeh though. |
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gearsNcogs
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gearsNcogs wrote:
Is there really a difference between the various versions of the Vivitar/Contax/Samyang/Rokinon?
Is there a better 85/1.4 lens available/adaptable for Canon in the same price range?
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ManualFocus-G
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| gearsNcogs wrote: |
Is there really a difference between the various versions of the Vivitar/Contax/Samyang/Rokinon?
Is there a better 85/1.4 lens available/adaptable for Canon in the same price range? |
No and no.
By the way, I really like the way the latest Sigmas render images...almost Zeiss like 
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gearsNcogs
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gearsNcogs wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
By the way, I really like the way the latest Sigmas render images...almost Zeiss like |
From what i've seen, i like it too. at this point, i'm trying to figure out if its worth the price, or if i should stick with the Vivitar. what are your thoughts?
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Cine: 16mm: Krasnogorsk-3 (M42 mount) 8mm: Revere Model 88 Super 8: Bell and Howell 1235 XL Filmosonic
MF Lenses: M42: Meteor 5-1 KMZ 17-69mm 1:1,9 (Cine Only), Asahi Super Takumar 50mm 1:1.4, Focal MC 28mm 1:2.8, Tele-Lentar 135mm 1:2.8, Helios-44 KMZ 58mm 1:2, Helios-44-2 KMZ 58mm 1:2 M39: Industar-26M 50mm 1:2.8 F: Nikon Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 EF: Lensbaby Composer f2 w/Double Glass Optic, Rokinon 35mm 1:1.4 AS UMC, Rokinon 85mm T1.5 AS IF UMC
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
| gearsNcogs wrote: |
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
By the way, I really like the way the latest Sigmas render images...almost Zeiss like |
From what i've seen, i like it too. at this point, i'm trying to figure out if its worth the price, or if i should stick with the Vivitar. what are your thoughts? |
The Samyang/Vivitar/Falcon 85/1.4 is a cracker and very good wide open. The bokeh is lovely and smooth too. It absolutely cannot be beaten for value! But...I prefer the rendering of the Planar 85/1.4 and from what I've seen, the Sigma. It's down to personal taste though I wouldn't care about AF either way, as I tend to use 85mm for portraits. And I have lots of time when taking portraits 
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gearsNcogs
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gearsNcogs wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| gearsNcogs wrote: |
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
By the way, I really like the way the latest Sigmas render images...almost Zeiss like |
From what i've seen, i like it too. at this point, i'm trying to figure out if its worth the price, or if i should stick with the Vivitar. what are your thoughts? |
The Samyang/Vivitar/Falcon 85/1.4 is a cracker and very good wide open. The bokeh is lovely and smooth too. It absolutely cannot be beaten for value! But...I prefer the rendering of the Planar 85/1.4 and from what I've seen, the Sigma. It's down to personal taste though I wouldn't care about AF either way, as I tend to use 85mm for portraits. And I have lots of time when taking portraits |
I really appreciate your opinion/advice. the frustrating part is, i still have to make a choice eventually!  On the plus side, It's going to be a while before I can afford either lens (I'm currently saving up for a study abroad program in Prague this summer), so I don't REALLY have to make a decision any time soon.
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Cine: 16mm: Krasnogorsk-3 (M42 mount) 8mm: Revere Model 88 Super 8: Bell and Howell 1235 XL Filmosonic
MF Lenses: M42: Meteor 5-1 KMZ 17-69mm 1:1,9 (Cine Only), Asahi Super Takumar 50mm 1:1.4, Focal MC 28mm 1:2.8, Tele-Lentar 135mm 1:2.8, Helios-44 KMZ 58mm 1:2, Helios-44-2 KMZ 58mm 1:2 M39: Industar-26M 50mm 1:2.8 F: Nikon Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 EF: Lensbaby Composer f2 w/Double Glass Optic, Rokinon 35mm 1:1.4 AS UMC, Rokinon 85mm T1.5 AS IF UMC
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Paul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Paul wrote:
I don't think the Samyang/Vivitar/Polaris.... 1.4/85 ist that good.
I had this lens and when compared with some Tamron (AF-)lenses the 2.8/70-200 as well as the 18-250 (!!!!) it couldn't compete with regard to sharpness and contrast and colors.
...as well on Pentax Ds as on K-7.
I compared as well with the russian Jupiter 2.0/85 - here the 1.4/85 could compete very well - depending on the apertures.
Oh - I took pics with apertures from wirde open to f 8.0.
Sad enough: I made these shots during holidays and deleted the files after viewing and comparing....
Perhaps someone else can repeat this if anyone does not believe....
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Paul, my Samyang was incredibly sharp wide open. It just didn't improve much from f2.8.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
| gearsNcogs wrote: |
Is there really a difference between the various versions of the Vivitar/Contax/Samyang/Rokinon?
Is there a better 85/1.4 lens available/adaptable for Canon in the same price range? |
No and no.
By the way, I really like the way the latest Sigmas render images...almost Zeiss like |
I kind of agree with this, but at the wide open Planar 85/1.4 ZF has some grow which I like,
that is running in the family of Planar? Planar 50/1.4 ZF, Contax G Planar 35/2 have it too.
Latest Sigma does not have this grow (coming from uncorrected spherical aberration I guess),
ie. Sigma 85/1.4 is sharp at its wide open, and AF is relatively speaking fast and accurate.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:04 am Post subject: |
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Big Dawg wrote:
For the money it is hard to beat the Vivitar Series 1. Probably one of the best lens purchases I've made.
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gearsNcogs
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: |
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gearsNcogs wrote:
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| For the money it is hard to beat the Vivitar Series 1. Probably one of the best lens purchases I've made. |
well, considering that you've had this lens for some time now, i have to say that your endorsement goes quite a way Big Dawg! personally, i'm thinking that i will be going with this lens when i have the money, although again, it will be a little while until i come up with that.
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Cine: 16mm: Krasnogorsk-3 (M42 mount) 8mm: Revere Model 88 Super 8: Bell and Howell 1235 XL Filmosonic
MF Lenses: M42: Meteor 5-1 KMZ 17-69mm 1:1,9 (Cine Only), Asahi Super Takumar 50mm 1:1.4, Focal MC 28mm 1:2.8, Tele-Lentar 135mm 1:2.8, Helios-44 KMZ 58mm 1:2, Helios-44-2 KMZ 58mm 1:2 M39: Industar-26M 50mm 1:2.8 F: Nikon Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 EF: Lensbaby Composer f2 w/Double Glass Optic, Rokinon 35mm 1:1.4 AS UMC, Rokinon 85mm T1.5 AS IF UMC
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gearsNcogs
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: |
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gearsNcogs wrote:
sorry to bring up this post again but i came up with a couple more questions.
1) does the vivitar/rokinon/samyang have hard stops on its focus ring? (a sigma 30/1.4 that i use frequently does not have hard stops on the focus ring, and its a bit of a problem when using follow focus for video)
2) is there ANY reason at all to purchase one version (vivitar) over another (rokinon) other than price? build quality? warranty? anything?
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Cine: 16mm: Krasnogorsk-3 (M42 mount) 8mm: Revere Model 88 Super 8: Bell and Howell 1235 XL Filmosonic
MF Lenses: M42: Meteor 5-1 KMZ 17-69mm 1:1,9 (Cine Only), Asahi Super Takumar 50mm 1:1.4, Focal MC 28mm 1:2.8, Tele-Lentar 135mm 1:2.8, Helios-44 KMZ 58mm 1:2, Helios-44-2 KMZ 58mm 1:2 M39: Industar-26M 50mm 1:2.8 F: Nikon Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 EF: Lensbaby Composer f2 w/Double Glass Optic, Rokinon 35mm 1:1.4 AS UMC, Rokinon 85mm T1.5 AS IF UMC
AF Lenses: EF-S: Canon EF-S 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6 II, EF: Tamron AF 70-300mm 1:4-5.6 TELE-MACRO (1:2), Canon EF 50mm 1:1.8 II
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
1. Yes, the 85/1.4 has click stops
2. Only localised price differences / brand snobbery
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gearsNcogs
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| Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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gearsNcogs wrote:
| ManualFocus-G wrote: |
1. Yes, the 85/1.4 has click stops
2. Only localised price differences / brand snobbery |
Fantastic! exactly what i wanted to hear
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Cine: 16mm: Krasnogorsk-3 (M42 mount) 8mm: Revere Model 88 Super 8: Bell and Howell 1235 XL Filmosonic
MF Lenses: M42: Meteor 5-1 KMZ 17-69mm 1:1,9 (Cine Only), Asahi Super Takumar 50mm 1:1.4, Focal MC 28mm 1:2.8, Tele-Lentar 135mm 1:2.8, Helios-44 KMZ 58mm 1:2, Helios-44-2 KMZ 58mm 1:2 M39: Industar-26M 50mm 1:2.8 F: Nikon Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 EF: Lensbaby Composer f2 w/Double Glass Optic, Rokinon 35mm 1:1.4 AS UMC, Rokinon 85mm T1.5 AS IF UMC
AF Lenses: EF-S: Canon EF-S 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6 II, EF: Tamron AF 70-300mm 1:4-5.6 TELE-MACRO (1:2), Canon EF 50mm 1:1.8 II
Fixed-Focus Lenses: D: Elitar 6.5mm 1:1.9, Wollensak-Revere 13mm 1:2.5 Velostigmat |
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