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Doc Sharptail
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 Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 8:14 pm Post subject: First digital shots Nikkor Q 135mm f3.5 |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
This is the last of my pre-a/i lenses to be converted to a/i.
Couple of frames wide open in dim, and diffuse light. ISO 1600.
Crop of image above:
once more:
crop of image above.
I know it's a single coated, old and slow 135mm.
MFD is sort of long compared to modern counterparts at 5 ft- 1.5 meters.
For what it is, it's entirely usable.
I had good results with it on film with an L-37-C filter over it outdoors.
A quick snap of the name ring:
Side view mounted on the D-810.
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KEO
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| Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
I agree. It's a perfectly good old 135. They're inexpensive, too. |
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cooltouch
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cooltouch wrote:
Very nice. You know, I don't know if the optical formulas are the same, but one of the sharpest Nikkors I've ever owned was an AI 135/3.5, a fantastic lens, yet quite economical. So I guess all I'm saying is, I'm not surprised in the least by your great results.
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visualopsins wrote:
http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html#135
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Doc Sharptail
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| Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
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| http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/lenses.html#135 |
Thanks for that link.
One of my oft-visited reference sites.
Optical formulas did a lot of changing over the life of the 135mm m/f line~ worthwhile reading.
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Doc Sharptail
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
Not a great day for lens testing. Still, we try.
Extended aftermath of the Club Morocco fire.
At f 5.6 here and ISO 100, unfiltered.
Contrast transitioning is pretty weak with the single "blue" coating on this lens.
I should have did a control shot with the L-37-C filter over the lens, but did not think of it.
Crop of image above.
I have a bit more to do with this lens yet- getting it out in normal day-light would give it a bit of a chance.
These leaden grey skies can be challenging at times, even for more modern lenses.
-D.S.
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Doc Sharptail
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
After working this lens for a few days, I am fairly well convinced it was purpose designed.
It seems to have a sweet spot in the 8 to 35-40 foot range or so.
I tried with the nikkor coatings coated filter L-37-C today in the brilliant sunshine, and could detect little in the way of differences.
It is surprisingly sensitive to hand-held shutter speed~ at least in my not so steady hands. It seems to like 1/125 sec or better.
I'll get one more sample set up later.
It has been a very interesting day.
-D.S.
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Doc Sharptail
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
F11
White-tail deer in the Field of Honor military section at Brookside.
Dad would get a chuckle out of this.
Crop of frame above.
F8
Directory for Veterans. About 12 feet/3.2 meters distance.
Crop of above frame.
F11 here and 1/125 sec. Shutter was a little slow to isolate the bird's rapid movements.
About 40 feet/10meters. About an 85% crop.
It wants to flare quite a bit towards the sun. With both the dedicated hood and L37-C filter mounted.
This lens performs a bit better than I was expecting.
It seems to want bright daylight and blue skies, which is o.k. by me.
It already has a reserved spot in the daily carry bag. 
-D.S.
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50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Yes. I had one some years ago, and I recall having very good results with it. Not bad, not spectacular.
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gaeger wrote:
What wonderful results with an affordable old lens.
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Doc Sharptail
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 9:29 am Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
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| What wonderful results with an affordable old lens. |
Thanks for the kind words.
I like to think so as well.
I need to investigate these pre-A/I lenses a lot further.
It actually came with an old FTN camera I bought a couple of years ago.
I had to go back to the shop for a lens cap for the 50 on it, and the manager said there's a box that comes with it.
There was the usual old camera stuff in there-cable releases, manuals, a hard ever-ready case, etc., and this old 135 still in it's factory bullet case.
What gets to me is that it actually needed a coated filter for color film- the with and without differences were glaring.
Not so much with the current D-810 camera. Other than some very slight differences in contrast, I can't find much.
-D.S.
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KEO
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| Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2022 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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KEO wrote:
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| I need to investigate these pre-A/I lenses a lot further. |
There are definitely some good ones. The Nikkor-H Auto 85 1.8 comes to mind, as does the Nikkor-P Auto 105 2.5. |
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Doc Sharptail
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| Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
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There are definitely some good ones. The Nikkor-H Auto 85 1.8 comes to mind, as does the Nikkor-P Auto 105 2.5. |
The 85 f1.8 I have, in the "K" variant.
This was a much sought after lens for me, and it took a good 38-39 years for me to finally get my hands on one.
For a lens that came out at the height of the Kodachrome era, it is not bad.
It doesn't get used anywhere near as much as I thought it would. I'm not sure what it is~ probably my present image taking style.
I am going to hang onto it for a while yet. It is still at this late stage, part of the learning game for me.
I suspect that the "H" probably renders differently, with a slightly different optical formula- the MFD on the "H" is a bit longer than the "K".
It, and almost all variants of the 105 are fairly scarce around here.
Something definitely to keep an eye out for.
-D.S.
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50 f2 H nikkor, 50 f 1.4 AI-s, 135 f3.5 Q,
50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
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alex ph
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alex ph wrote:
What a nice result, thanks for sharing. Isn't it close to CZJ Sonnar 3.5/135 performance? |
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Doc Sharptail
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Doc Sharptail wrote:
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| What a nice result, thanks for sharing. Isn't it close to CZJ Sonnar 3.5/135 performance? |
I haven't a clue. No experience at all with Zeiss glass I'm afraid.
The design is one of nikon's earliest SLR lenses with 4 elements in 3 groups.
I had read somewhere that this was a derivative of one of the old nikon rangefinder lenses, but am not sure.
It's kind of big for a rangefinder lens, I think, and would probably dwarf an "S" if one were able to get it mounted.
There's probably a lot more info on these at the nikonian's page.
I do have to look around and see if I can find a simple schematic for this one.
-D.S.
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50 f2 K nikkor 2x, 28-85mm f3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 35-105 3.5-4.5 A/I-s, 200mm f4 Micro A/I, partial list.
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flavio81
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:43 am Post subject: |
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flavio81 wrote:
| cooltouch wrote: |
| Very nice. You know, I don't know if the optical formulas are the same, but one of the sharpest Nikkors I've ever owned was an AI 135/3.5, a fantastic lens, yet quite economical. So I guess all I'm saying is, I'm not surprised in the least by your great results. |
Hello here my old friend.
Note that they're not the same formula. The optical formula changed from the -Q version to the AI version.
And yes, the AI 135/3.5 is a fantastic lens. I had one, sold it, only to buy another one later because I missed it. |
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flavio81
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:47 am Post subject: |
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flavio81 wrote:
| Doc Sharptail wrote: |
| gaeger wrote: |
| What wonderful results with an affordable old lens. |
Thanks for the kind words.
I like to think so as well.
I need to investigate these pre-A/I lenses a lot further.
It actually came with an old FTN camera I bought a couple of years ago.
I had to go back to the shop for a lens cap for the 50 on it, and the manager said there's a box that comes with it.
There was the usual old camera stuff in there-cable releases, manuals, a hard ever-ready case, etc., and this old 135 still in it's factory bullet case.
What gets to me is that it actually needed a coated filter for color film- the with and without differences were glaring.
Not so much with the current D-810 camera. Other than some very slight differences in contrast, I can't find much.
-D.S. |
It's possible that the Nikkor-Q, using those ancient blue coatings, passes a fair amount of UV or IR light, and the filter you're using restricts it. Color film will reveal a difference there. |
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flavio81
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flavio81 wrote:
| alex ph wrote: |
| What a nice result, thanks for sharing. Isn't it close to CZJ Sonnar 3.5/135 performance? |
I owned the CZJ Sonnar 3.5/135 MC, as well as other nice 135 as the Pentax SMCT 2.5/135, so in the past i did a simple comparison between those two and the Nikkor-Q 3.5/135.
The Pentax and the CZJ were the most contrasty. All of them had about the same resolution. The Nikkor-Q had a bit lower contrast and seemed to be more flare sensitive. It was also the only single-coated lens in this comparison.
All three lenses had really nice bokeh.
The CZJ and the Nikkor-Q have the same "tele-sonnar" optical structure.
I have the option of buying a Nikkor-Q-C 135/3.5, which is multicoated, and i'm thinking if it would be a nice idea... |
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