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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: Compact 50ish M39......overwhelmed |
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uhoh7 wrote:
Well I just got into the M39s with a CV skopar 35mm.
So stupidly I thought, why not get a small 50ish as well.
My head is spinning with the options, from elmars to industars to serenars.
The smaller the better, but I would consider a compact f/2 or f/1.8.
Preferably under 200USD, cheaper the better.
I consider the jupiter 8, but it seems to need a few stops to get sharp, while in some samples the industar 50 f/3.5 seems sharp right off.
Canon Serenar f/1.8 also looks nice for alot more money--but maybe worth it.
N-61 L/D seems very light, which I like, but like so many russian lenses, they ship from russia--takes for ever. Crap shoot in copy quality.
Anyway I know these 50s have been done to death, but help me narrow it down!
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rbelyell
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
rbelyell wrote: |
for use on what camera? |
Nex-5 APS-C w/m39 adapter
TY
Here are some pics with M39s on a nex:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1042&message=37488532&changemode=1
I actually have a summilux f/1.4 on long term loan, but it's heavy as hell--weighs more than the body. _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I use the J8 on my NEX as a 50(75)mm lens and I am very happy with it. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
I use the J8 on my NEX as a 50(75)mm lens and I am very happy with it. |
I am leaning to this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37888941@N00/4792811568/in/set-72157624366388939/
about 35USD shipped to USA
People rave about the sharpness and super high contrast.
Is a J8 as light?--well I read they are the same weight.
here is j8 vs i-61 l/d thread:
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
J-8 is made from aluminum + glass small and lightweight yes. It has a pair Industar-26 same size same everything I guess. I like them pretty much. _________________ -------------------------------
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
My recommendation is either Jupitor-3 or Canon 50/1.8, the both are L39
(ie. Leica L-mount) and small. I think you can obtain either one under $200,
though you need L->M adapter which is not too expensive.
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
koji wrote: |
My recommendation is either Jupitor-3 or Canon 50/1.8, the both are L39
(ie. Leica L-mount) and small. I think you can obtain either one under $200,
though you need L->M adapter which is not too expensive.
Good luck |
I did always pass J-3 due higher price , is it only faster lens (don't need to me really) or better too than J-8 or Industar-26 ? _________________ -------------------------------
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
I've been quite happy with my Canon Serenar 50mm f/1.8. I'm using it on my old Canon rangefinder, though, and not anything else.
It's a little slow, but I also highly recommend the old Leitz 50/3.5 Elmar. It's one of the sharpest 50mm lenses ever made. _________________ Michael
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koji
Joined: 21 Jul 2008 Posts: 2106 Location: Hiroshima, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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koji wrote:
I paid $200 in Tokyo for Jupiter-3, BUT it was 2001.... Hahaha....
But I only paid $100 for Canon 50/1.8 in 2008, so it will be still less than 200. _________________ Our Home Page has 18,200 photos in 575 directories today.
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
I've been quite happy with my Canon Serenar 50mm f/1.8. I'm using it on my old Canon rangefinder, though, and not anything else.
It's a little slow, but I also highly recommend the old Leitz 50/3.5 Elmar. It's one of the sharpest 50mm lenses ever made. |
I'd very much like a copy of each of those, but I am STOPPING!!!!!
with this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=330523483729&si=qMtTkjvR3CbHigxahGnFrGYGh%252BY%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT
That gives me an RF set owned and borrowed of:
28 elmarit (80's)
36 CV Skopar f/2.5 (2010)
I-61 L/D
Summilux 50 f/1.4
Elmarit 90 (80's)
I would like one more wide and maybe a 135ish but I'm not not not going to get one!!!
well maybe if I can find a jupiter 11....... _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
The Industar 61 L/D looks really cool on the Oly EPL1.
Seems to be sharp even wide open as well (of course f2.8 is not especially fast for 50mm). Also good contrast and no fringing. Pity the build quality is so poor (but for £13 one can't complain too much)
Crop
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Sevo
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
rbelyell wrote: |
for use on what camera? |
Nex-5 APS-C w/m39 adapter
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No need to shun the Jupiters (or indeed any FSU lens) there. They have back- or front-focus issues on the Leica, being Contax standard lenses with a slightly longer effective focal length. But that is entirely irrelevant on SLR and EVIL cameras, as these use no Leica-standard rangefinder. _________________ Sevo |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
SXR_Mark wrote: |
The Industar 61 L/D looks really cool on the Oly EPL1.
Seems to be sharp even wide open as well (of course f2.8 is not especially fast for 50mm). Also good contrast and no fringing. Pity the build quality is so poor (but for £13 one can't complain too much)
Mark |
TY, how do you notice the poor build, aisde from performance?
Mine is on the way--will take weeks.
Am excited about the very light weight---but just hope I get a sharp copy.
Re jupiter and evil
TY I would really like to find a good J11 for leica 39 mount---they are not as cheap as they used to be---a very good looking copy they want like 65us plus at least 20 shipping, which seems a bit crazy.
Any other light, sharp 135mms I should think about in the LTM mount?
TY sirs _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 524 Location: WA, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
You don't need to get these from outside US. Just search ebay for Zorki or FED cameras - some come with these lenses and you'll get a classic body as well.
Re: build. I don't get what people are complaining about. I have the Jupiter-8 and the Industar 26M and they're both very well built. The grease used on the focusing can deteriorate over time, but that can be fixed; otherwise these lenses are as tough as they come. _________________ http://www.ipernity.com/home/2419272
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std
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:04 am Post subject: |
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std wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
TY I would really like to find a good J11 for leica 39 mount---they are not as cheap as they used to be---a very good looking copy they want like 65us plus at least 20 shipping, which seems a bit crazy.
Any other light, sharp 135mms I should think about in the LTM mount?
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I have the J11 in m39 - it's very small - the problem is that i do not have appropriate lens hood and it flares a lot giving the picture kind of low contrast. Otherwise the colors are very nice, the sharpness is ok and the bokeh is very nice as it is a sonnar.
If you correct the pictures they look good. |
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SXR_Mark
Joined: 12 Jun 2010 Posts: 506 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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SXR_Mark wrote:
Laurentiu Cristofor wrote: |
Re: build. I don't get what people are complaining about. I have the Jupiter-8 and the Industar 26M and they're both very well built. The grease used on the focusing can deteriorate over time, but that can be fixed; otherwise these lenses are as tough as they come. |
My comment of poor build relates to the mechanical design. To allow the focus ring to rotate relative to the the screw mount, the mount has a flange that runs in a groove in the focus ring. There is no proper bearing, and the only thing that stops the mount rattling is grease. This arrangement is bound to wear with use and increase the amount of radial play in the lens when it is mounted on the camera. I can wiggle my sample a small but noticeable amount when it's on the camera, though I admit it's not a major issue.
Furthermore, the mount is clamped into this groove with a ring held by three tiny screws which screw into the aluminium focus ring. On my sample of the lens, a previous re-greasing had left these screws with only a very tenuous grip. If the screws do not hold tight, then the lens can easily be pulled off the mount. I recommend anyone taking these lenses apart to re-grease them to be very careful not to over-tighten these screws.
From an engineering point of view, this arrangement is very poor indeed.
Mark _________________ Olympus OM-D E-M1 for everything |
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Laurentiu Cristofor
Joined: 23 Oct 2010 Posts: 524 Location: WA, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
SXR_Mark wrote: |
This arrangement is bound to wear with use and increase the amount of radial play in the lens when it is mounted on the camera. I can wiggle my sample a small but noticeable amount when it's on the camera, though I admit it's not a major issue. |
Radial play could come from a bad CLA, which correlates with your observation that previous greasing left some screws improperly tightened. You can't generalize from one experience. For example, I had a Takumar that had uncharacteristic play in the focusing ring - that doesn't mean anything about Takumars in general. I have a bunch of Russian lenses and some came with clear signs that they were opened previously and then were incorrectly assembled - this is the risk with buying old used stuff, but it's not the fault of the original manufacturer. _________________ http://www.ipernity.com/home/2419272
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