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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:36 am    Post subject: takumars 85 mm. Which? Reply with quote
All of us know that there are some takumars 85 mm. ST 1,8; 1,9 SMC 1,9 and 1,8.

I watched some tests about them. I didn't see that the ST 1,9 was sharpest one, but a lot of takumars users prefer this over the more sharp 85s.

Does anybody know why? IQ cuestion?


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have the S-M-C Takumar 1.8/85 and the Auto-Takumar 1.8/85, and can confirm that the later version is considerably sharper than its older sibling. This does not necessarily make it any better than the Auto-Takumar, which has a real 'old-school' way of rendering, but the S-M-C has consistently delivered higher quality results for me.

There are others who own most/all versions, they'll be better placed to guide you, but this is my personal experience of the AOC 85mm lenses Wink


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You have a comparison here, along with a Helios 40 85/1.5. The 85/1.9 have the same formula as the Auto 85/1.8, but with 6 blades instead of 9, so maybe a better flare controle but worst bokeh stopped down. The first version of the 85mms has the smoothest bokeh, the S-M-C 85/1.8 is the sharpest. I 'haven't used the 83/1.9 enough yet to compare it to the other.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The 85/1.9 has the reputation of giving something special to portraits.
But this is just hearsay. I have never tested it.
There exists also an 83/1.9 Takumar with 7 elements.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks MAL1905, CarbonR and Blende8

You are lucky men, have 85 takumars Very Happy

Rino


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Rino,

Some call it luck, others call it insanity or obsessiveness Laughing

estudleon wrote:
Thanks MAL1905, CarbonR and Blende8

You are lucky men, have 85 takumars Very Happy

Rino


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mal1905 wrote:
Hey Rino,

Some call it luck, others call it insanity or obsessiveness Laughing

estudleon wrote:
Thanks MAL1905, CarbonR and Blende8

You are lucky men, have 85 takumars Very Happy

Rino


But when we are speacking about takumars, not the same?

Where I have to put myself? Shocked

Regards, Rino.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Don't know where you're going to put yourself Rino, but I personally reside in the Obsessives Insane Asylum when it comes to Takumars and AOCo equipment Laughing

estudleon wrote:
But when we are speacking about takumars, not the same?

Where I have to put myself? Shocked

Regards, Rino.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just have a S-M-C 85/1.8, an Auto Takumar 85/1.8, and two Takumar 83/1.9. During a small period I had two Auto Taks. That's not too much, that's just the minimum with that we can live Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CarbonR wrote:
I just have a S-M-C 85/1.8, an Auto Takumar 85/1.8, and two Takumar 83/1.9. During a small period I had two Auto Taks. That's not too much, that's just the minimum with that we can live Very Happy



You have right. For every day in the week another 85er Tak. Changing shoes or clothes are normal too ! Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
this lens is awesome on FF, no doubt, but beware CA on crop. Bokeh of this lens is something special:)


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My son-in-low has the S-M-C 2,5/135. Another wow takumar lens.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
From the more modern family of lenses, my favourite Takumars are the S-M-C 1.8/85, followed by the S-M-C 2.5/135 (I & II), with the S-M-C 2.8/105 and 2.8/120 as runners-up. Yes, the 1.4/50 and 1.8/55 lenses are really great, but the performancce of these telephotos is something special, in my humble opinion.

estudleon wrote:
My son-in-low has the S-M-C 2,5/135. Another wow takumar lens.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rolf wrote:
CarbonR wrote:
I just have a S-M-C 85/1.8, an Auto Takumar 85/1.8, and two Takumar 83/1.9. During a small period I had two Auto Taks. That's not too much, that's just the minimum with that we can live Very Happy



You have right. For every day in the week another 85er Tak. Changing shoes or clothes are normal too ! Rolling Eyes


As MAL1905 said, we are candidates to reside in the Obsessives Insane Asylum. Laughing

But.......... thinking about..........why not?


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mal1905 wrote:
From the more modern family of lenses, my favourite Takumars are the S-M-C 1.8/85, followed by the S-M-C 2.5/135 (I & II), with the S-M-C 2.8/105 and 2.8/120 as runners-up. Yes, the 1.4/50 and 1.8/55 lenses are really great, but the performancce of these telephotos is something special, in my humble opinion.

estudleon wrote:
My son-in-low has the S-M-C 2,5/135. Another wow takumar lens.


They are greats lenses, endeed.

Difficult to chose among: 2,8/105, 1,8/85 and 2,5/135. I don't know the rendering of the 120 mm.


PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/takumar/super_takumar_85mm_f1_9/?

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/takumar/auto_takumar_85mm_f1_8/?

http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/japenese/takumar/smc_takumar_85mm_f1_8_m42/?

My very subjective order is

1) SMC
2) Super
3) Auto

Difference is little all are good lenses.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It seems that the SMC is the best for all.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
estudleon wrote:
It seems that the SMC is the best for all.


possibly 'SMC is best for all' could be said about Takumars generally,
an earlier Takumars may be doing something in particular


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A nice SMC 85 1.8 with caps, case & hood sold on ebay yesterday for $520 U.S.
Cheers, Pickles.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kuuan wrote:
estudleon wrote:
It seems that the SMC is the best for all.


possibly 'SMC is best for all' could be said about Takumars generally,
an earlier Takumars may be doing something in particular


Hi Andreas.

It seems that the older takumars have one special touch in bokeh. Not in contrast. And the SMC, generally better than the S.T., have the edger in contrast and resolving power.

I'm very afortunate with the SMC 2,8/105 that I have because YOU. (I can never say thanks enough times).


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
pickles wrote:
A nice SMC 85 1.8 with caps, case & hood sold on ebay yesterday for $520 U.S.
Cheers, Pickles.


Here, in Argentina, u$s 520 is = to near of three months of average salary.

Yes, Pickles, not your problem, I only put un the table the reality of my country. Because that here we think very well before to buy a lens.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
pickles wrote:
A nice SMC 85 1.8 with caps, case & hood sold on ebay yesterday for $520 U.S.
Cheers, Pickles.


that's quite a handful
the f1.9/83mm sell for even more, don't they?
CarbonR, Spotmatic, Mal, who ever has one, how do you like it?

so total there are 3 different designs, the f1.9/83, the Auto Tak 1.8/85 and S.T. 1.9/85, and the f1.8/85, right?
the S-M-C f1.8/85 being sharpest, the S.T. f1.9/85 less sharp but some consider better bokeh ( Auto Tak 1.8/85 is the same? ) and the 83mm should have special bokeh too, how about it's sharpness?


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Am waiting for the 1.9/83 - hopefully not for much longer Wink

kuuan wrote:
that's quite a handful
the f1.9/83mm sell for even more, don't they?
CarbonR, Spotmatic, Mal, who ever has one, how do you like it?


In date order, the 8Xmm variants are:

Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 1.9/83 (Asahiflex mount)
Takumar 1.9/83 (rare, if available)
Auto-Takumar 1.8/85
Super-Takumar 1.9/85
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 1.9/85
Super-Multi-Coated Takumar 1.8/85


kuuan wrote:
so total there are 3 different designs, the f1.9/83, the Auto Tak 1.8/85 and S.T. 1.9/85, and the f1.8/85, right?
the S-M-C f1.8/85 being sharpest, the S.T. f1.9/85 less sharp but some consider better bokeh ( Auto Tak 1.8/85 is the same? ) and the 83mm should have special bokeh too, how about it's sharpness?


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kuuan wrote:
estudleon wrote:
It seems that the SMC is the best for all.


possibly 'SMC is best for all' could be said about Takumars generally,
an earlier Takumars may be doing something in particular

+1 this was my conclusion too based on several lenses, but have to say Super-Takumar is really close.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
After have read some opinions in takumars lenses, except the 2/35, the old 8 elements 1,4/50 and the 3,5/28 almost no S.T. are chosen over the SMC (S-M-C) version.

Althought I heard and read some users in favor of the pre-set takumars.
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