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Nesster
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: 35mm cameras in the USA in 1955 |
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Nesster wrote:
From a September 1955 issue of Modern Photography, a survey of 35mm cameras by price range (this tells us something about the market segments at the time)... starts off with low priced view finder cameras, goes to the mid market, and then the high price segment. Finishes off with all the SLRs in one batch - SLR prices are all over the place, but I suppose at the time they were a specialist segment of their own.
35mm Survey Modern Photography Sept 1955 1 by Nesster, on Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nesster/5351133575/sizes/o/in/photostream/
35mm Survey Modern Photography Sept 1955 2 by Nesster, on Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nesster/5351746632/sizes/o/in/photostream/
35mm Survey Modern Photography Sept 1955 3 by Nesster, on Flickr
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nesster/5351133653/sizes/o/in/photostream/ _________________ -Jussi
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
Awesome...thanks for posting this.Those Soligors look really cool,and there are some brands I have never heard of. _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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greg
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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greg wrote:
A trip down nostalgia lane...... |
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PaulC
Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Posts: 2318
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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PaulC wrote:
The days when it took a week's wages to buy a basic camera and a month's to buy a more advanced one. _________________ View or buy my photos at:
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
PaulC wrote: |
The days when it took a week's wages to buy a basic camera and a month's to buy a more advanced one. |
And history is repeating itself when it comes to DSLRs. _________________ Michael
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Seele
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 741 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Seele wrote:
See how the same Pentacon camera was sold under different brands at different prices, by different distributors. |
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dof
Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 339 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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dof wrote:
Love it -- thanks for posting!
Mr Butkus has some vintage Sears and other camera catalogs on his site:
http://www.butkus.org/chinon/catalogs_photo.htm
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PaulC
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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PaulC wrote:
The tower press camera seems to have a remarkable resemblance to a Speed Graphic press camera ... _________________ View or buy my photos at:
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Attila
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I want them all _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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womble
Joined: 28 Sep 2009 Posts: 987 Location: Hertfordshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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womble wrote:
I want one of them there rectaflex motors with shoulder stock and trigger...
Great stuff, thanks for posting.
K. _________________ Kris Lockyear
Digital: Pentax K-3iii
35mm film SLRs: various Pentax bodies from a H2 to a SF7, favourites the MX and LX
Rangefinder: Zeiss Super Ikonta IV, FED2, Zorkii-4, Industar 26m, Jupiter 8, 11 and 12 lenses
Medium format: various folders, Yashica Mat 124 G. Lubitel 2
LF: Horseman LE 5x4 view camera.
MF lenses (favourites) Pentax "K" 200mm f/2.5; "K" 135mm f/2.5; "K" 50mm f/1.2; "K" 35mm f/2; "K" 30mm f/2.8; "K" 28mm f/3.5 shift; "K" 15mm f/3.5; M 100mm f/2.8; M 40mm f/2.8; Jupiter-9 85mm |
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
Excellent!
Nesster, do you allow me to link to this catalog from another (dutch) site?
Thanks in advance _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Please do - and I post them with a 'share alike' license so as long as you mention where I posted them, you're free to repost all you want - the goal here is to transmit the past _________________ -Jussi
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mo
Joined: 27 Aug 2009 Posts: 8979 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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mo wrote:
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the goal here is to transmit the past |
Excellent idea!! _________________ Moira, Moderator
Fuji XE-1,Pentax K-01,Panasonic G1,Panasonic G5,Pentax MX
Ricoh Singlex TLS,KR-5,KR-5Super,XR-10
Lenses
Auto Rikenon's 55/1.4, 1.8, 2.8... 50/1.7 Takumar 2/58 Preset Takumar 2.8/105 Auto Takumar 2.2/55, 3.5/35 Super Takumar 1.8/55...Macro Takumar F4/50... CZJ Biotar ALU M42 2/58 CZJ Tessar ALU M42 2.8/50
CZJ DDR Flektogon Zebra M42 2.8/35 CZJ Pancolar M42 2/50 CZJ Pancolar Exakta 2/50
Auto Mamiya/Sekor 1.8/55 ...Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 2.8/50 Auto Mamiya/Sekor 200/3.5 Tamron SP500/8 Tamron SP350/5.6 Tamron SP90/2.5
Primoplan 1.9/58 Primagon 4.5/35 Telemegor 5.5/150 Angenieux 3.5/28 Angenieux 3,5/135 Y 2
Canon FL 58/1.2,Canon FL85/1.8,Canon FL 100/3.5,Canon SSC 2.8/100 ,Konica AR 100/2.8, Nikkor P 105/2.5
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eeyore_nl
Joined: 09 Nov 2008 Posts: 837 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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eeyore_nl wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
And history is repeating itself when it comes to DSLRs. |
Not really, I think. In the analog days, people had to pay for developing and printing as well, while many people nowadays work fully digital.
In the long term, digital photography is less expensive for most people, even though high-end DSLR's are more expensive than their analog counterparts. _________________ Fujifilm X-Pro2 / Fujifilm X-T1 / some Sonnar & Takumar lenses |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
eeyore_nl wrote: |
cooltouch wrote: |
And history is repeating itself when it comes to DSLRs. |
Not really, I think. In the analog days, people had to pay for developing and printing as well, while many people nowadays work fully digital.
In the long term, digital photography is less expensive for most people, even though high-end DSLR's are more expensive than their analog counterparts. |
The "savings on film and developing costs" argument is one frequently dragged out by digital devotees. But it doesn't hold up once looked at a bit more closely. This assumes that the digital photographer never has any of his or her images printed. That isn't the case is it? So, even with digital, there are some printing costs. But if we dig a little deeper, what we quickly realize is the digital photographer soon has to find places to put all these very large images. And this usually means drive space. So one has to go out and invest in auxiliary storage of some sort. That costs money that film photographers don't have to worry about, since negatives can be stored so conveniently.
About high-end DSLRs being more expensive than their analog counterparts -- well, nowadays there are almost no new analog counterparts to be had anymore, are there? So I don't know how valid a comparison it is. Unless one compare new DSLRs to the expensive gear of the 1950s -- which was my original point.
And if we further consider the life expectancies of DSLRs compared to their analog "counterparts," well let's see. There's a fair number of those old analog counterparts from the 1950s that are still around, and still in regular use. Can it honestly be said that 50 or 60 years from now any of today's DSLRs will be in regular use? So this means that, to stay in the DSLR game, one will be required to update one's very expensive DSLR much in the same way one has to retire an old computer in favor of a new one because of operating system or software incompatibilities.
So, my original point is valid, I believe. Namely that if one bought good photo gear in the 1950s, it was an expensive hobby. And it remains so if a person of today buys the good stuff. The savings are largely imaginary if they exist at all. _________________ Michael
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Nesster
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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So, my original point is valid, I believe. Namely that if one bought good photo gear in the 1950s, it was an expensive hobby. And it remains so if a person of today buys the good stuff. The savings are largely imaginary if they exist at all. |
Michael, well put -- although, I can see that had one bought the best in any era - 1920s, 1930s, 1950s, 1960s, even into the 1980s - and this means the best makers best products - and had one the discipline and sense to stick with this equipment, and to take good care of it - even now, after the collapse in e.g. Leica film camera prices brought on by digital - even now, one would be getting one's money back, and perhaps then some. That goes a long way to defraying all the costs along the way.
A therapist I know once said that your spouse is your greatest expense. Well, that and your #1 hobby or pursuit
Buying one of the very best digital cameras is unlikely to be worth what, say, a Bessa II Heliar is worth, after 50 years. But chances are the true cost of owning one of the best lenses of today won't be as bad in 50 years... _________________ -Jussi
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cooltouch
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:03 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Nesster wrote: |
Buying one of the very best digital cameras is unlikely to be worth what, say, a Bessa II Heliar is worth, after 50 years. But chances are the true cost of owning one of the best lenses of today won't be as bad in 50 years... |
Well, one can hope. You know, lenses of the future are one of those things I like to fantasize about. I envision a day when technology will have progressed to the point where we will have developed an ability to control fields, as in energy fields, magnetic fields, even the scifi staple of force fields. Well, control them better than we can presently, at least. And when that day comes, one of the things we'll be able to do is control the shape and density of air to a very high degree. Such that we'll be able to produce optical lenses from air. And the future photographic lenses will be tubular devices that control the shapes of the air inside them. A zoom need have no moving parts. The device just moves the shapes of the air inside it to zoom in and out. And these fields can refine the shapes the air "on the fly" to deal with optical aberrations as they occur. Just think: no flare with air.
Initially the devices will be expensive because of the technology involved, but once the tech becomes mainstream, they'll become affordable to a wide range of users -- and super fast optics will become widely available because air is free, compared to expensive glass.
I probably won't see this sort of technology in my lifetime, but I feel confident that it will someday come to pass. _________________ Michael
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