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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: zeiss 20/2.8 vs zeiss 20/4.0 vs yashica ml 21/2.8--opinions! |
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rbelyell wrote:
hi all
i have narrowed my search for ultra w/a to the above, all about the same price, for use on my 5d. it would be great to get members opinions on which has best iq--for me that means sharpness/contrast/color in that order.
i dont have any of these, but i do have a yashica ml 24/2.8 and really like the iq, so comparisons to that lens would be particularly meaningful to me.
thanks so much!
tony _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
really? our members have NO opinion on this at all? i cant believe that, we have opinions on everything! _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I picked up a Nikon 20/4 Ai for about £120.00 last year and it was sharper across the board than my Flek 20/2.8. But then Fleks seem to have some issues with de-centering Anyway, I sold the Flek and kept the Nikon which is a nice little lens _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Andy F16Sunshine have Yashica ML 21mm f2.8 + a selected excellent Flektogon 20mm f2.8 MC from me. He able to answer to you. I never had Yashica ML 21mm. I agree ML 24mm is a very good lens.
Flektogon 20mm f4 is a perfect very sharp lens around F8-F11 and not bad wide open too.
20mm f2.8 either can be stunning and good one. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
i knew there were some opinions to be had! thanis guys!
graham do yu use the nikon in the 5d? any issues with that arrangement?
i am also wondering if i really gain anything over the ml 24mm--maybe i shuld just be happy with that and forget the 21??? _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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'buy me a drink, sing me a song,
take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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jjphoto
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 410
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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jjphoto wrote:
Is there such a thing as an ML 21/2.8?
Last edited by jjphoto on Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I never heard ML21mm f2.8 .
If need fast wide and you have enough money Olympus OM 21mm f2 is way to go. That is an awesome lens , small fast , sharp etc, etc.
I prefer Nikon 20mm f2.8 AIS over Jena lenses and Olympus OM 21mm f3.5 too. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
Hi here
I lately had a 20mm Flektogon, i planned a 35mm, but this wasn't wide enough : ) i also have a 5D.
So far ia haven't done serious tests with this lens, but i can say that the color rendition is pretty accurate, and there's no distorsion. I paid for it about 300€, it's in perfect shape and had been CLA before sell. I am pretty happy !
one thing is very funny, the lens seems huuuge on pix, due to it's large front lens of 70mm wide, but in fact it's normal
and the bonus is min focusing @ 19cm ! perfect for portraits _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonnar85 |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Tony, it works great on the 5D ( edit: just remembered I had to remove a small part of the mount, but it was easy with a small screwdriver and totally reversible) and I'm looking forward to taking it to the States this year for shots in New York, SF, Monterey and Yosemite
I haven't properly organised all my shots yet, but here's a snap wide open in horrible midday light:
100% crop:
No pp, sharpening or otherwise. I think the Flek was a little bit better in the centre but horrible in the corners. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
attila: i dont think i can fit om lenses to my 5d, though i could be wrong...
it seems most seem to think the nikon outperforms any of my choices! perhaps i should reevaluate....
thanks! _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:50 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
OM lenses work fine on a 5D I had the 28/2 and 85/2 previously, both were brilliant! I also had a 300/4.5 and still have the 50/1.8
The Nikon is staying though! There were faster versions made after my one e.g. 20/3.5 and 20/2.8. I was a bit concerned about taking part of the rear off, in case of exposure to dust, but all seems well _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
I can support the Nikkor 20mm F4. It is amazingly sharp and has very good colours. My copy seems to be a bit sharper than the sample we saw. _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
Nikon D90, Sony NEX-3
AF-Nikkors 24mm F2,8, 35mm F1,8 DX, 85mm F1,8, 28-105mm F3,5-4,5D IF
Nikon MF: Nikkor 20mm F4, Nikkor 50mm F2 Ai, Micro-Nikkor-P 55mm F3,5, Nikkor 135mm F2,8 Ai, Nikkor 200mm F4
Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm F2,8 [for sale], Vario-Sonnar 80-200mm F4 T* (C/Y) with Leitax for Nikon-F
Minolta MD-Rokkors: 28mm F2,8, 45mm F2
M42 Lenses: Mamiya/Sekor SX 21mm F4, SX 28mm F2,8, SX 55mm F1,8, SX 135mm F2,8, 400mm F6,3 [for sale], Asahi-Pentax Super-Tak. 28mm F3,5 and 55mm F1,8, CZJ Tessar 50mm F2,8, Vivitar 135mm F2,8
Mamiya 645 Lenses: Mamiya Sekor C 80mm F2,8 N, 300mm F5,6, 105-210mm F4,5 ULD [for sale] |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Wow if yours is sharper than that at f4, you must have a great copy! It's a tiny lens too _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
I used Nikkor 20/3.5 AI and 20/2.8 AIS on 5D2. The f/3.5 version has smaller front element and handles flare better, but has heavy vignetting that doesn't really go away on full-frame digital no matter how many steps it's stopped down. Corner performance also leaves to be desired. The f/2.8 version has visibly sharper corners at all apertures, but flares more easily and takes 62mm filters. In the end, I sold the f/3.5 version and kept the newer 20/2.8. It's a nice all around performer often available for $320-340.
On a budget, there's always Arsat-H 20/2.8: http://www.prime35.com/arsat-h-20mm-f-2-8/ _________________ List of lenses |
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eggboy
Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 190 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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eggboy wrote:
Attila wrote: |
Andy F16Sunshine have Yashica ML 21mm f2.8... |
It's actually a f3.5...I'm pretty sure F16Sunshine purchased my old one on *Bay...
It was an pretty good lens, but not in the same league as say, the 21mm/2.8 Zeiss, as it was an older design.
I can't say it's worth the US$400+ it regularly brings now.
I should have waited to sell _________________ Eugene
Current Fave Lenses:
Nikkor S.C 5cm/1.4 Rangefinder with Amadeo S>M Mount
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 5cm/2 Contax RF c. 1937,
Nikkor-N 28/2 Nikon F mount
Digital Cameras:
Nikon Z 6II, Panasonic GX8
Film Cameras:
Ansco B2 6x9 Box Camera
Bronica S2
Nikon F2
List and a photo or two of my lens herd |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I did purchase yours Eugene and like you sold it before the boom
I did a big test with 21's a while back.
The winner in my opinion was the Zuiko f2/21 for overall performnce and usability.
The Zeiss Distagon f2.8/21 had more depth and 3D open but the zuiko caught up at f4.
The Zuiko is 1/3 the size of the Zeiss (contax) lens and has 1 extra usable stop (although it flares a bit if you are not careful).
So the lenses you asked about. The ML f3.5 and Flek f2.8 .
Both in the middle of the pack. The flek had warmer colors/contrast the ML sharper rendering/details.
The best value in a 21mm has still got to be the super tiny zuiko f3.5/21mm (usually under $400).
At f5.6 and mid to infinity distances it is as good as the Zuiko f2/21 and Distagon.
If you want to focus close the Zuiko f2/21 and Contax Distagon f2.8 have a floating element design that make them clear winners on paper as well as in shoots.
Non Floating element wides will (and did) show un-even character outside of center at near distances as well as emphasized distortion. |
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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hexi wrote:
First tests with the Flektogon gave this pic. I am pretty happy about color rendition, pic has only some blacks added in Lightroom. This is @ f11.
_________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonnar85 |
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