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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:09 pm Post subject: Nikkor 105mm f2.5 vs Samyang 85mm f1.4 - a question |
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stingOM wrote:
Hi Folks,
I am just curious, does anyone in the community happen to have both lenses? I am interested to know which lens is better for bokeh? I presume Samyang version might just have the edge over sharpness at wide open aperture as it is a modern optics design?
I know I am not comparing like against like as the focal length differs.
Thanks. |
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Found some answers here, but not the Samyang version unfortunately:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/893751 |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I had 105 AIS + I have several 80mm lenses Biotar 75, pancolar 80 etc . 105mm Nikon is outstanding from every aspects, I doubt any lens will better for portrait, bokeh etc. I sold only because easy to buy again if need. _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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BenediktW
Joined: 24 Jan 2008 Posts: 336 Location: Solingen, Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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BenediktW wrote:
I had a Nikkor 105mm F2,5 AiS which was pretty worn on the outside, but perfect optics.
I liked it a lot, but I used my Nikkor AF 85mm F1,8 way more often, and it is one of the few AF lenses (besides my Nikkor AF-S 35mm F1,8 and my Nikkor AF 28-105mm F3,5-4,5) I really love.
So I sold it off. But I think one day when I get a D700, it will come again to me. It's really wonderful.
Regards,
Benedikt _________________ http://www.1979fotographie.de/
Nikon D90, Sony NEX-3
AF-Nikkors 24mm F2,8, 35mm F1,8 DX, 85mm F1,8, 28-105mm F3,5-4,5D IF
Nikon MF: Nikkor 20mm F4, Nikkor 50mm F2 Ai, Micro-Nikkor-P 55mm F3,5, Nikkor 135mm F2,8 Ai, Nikkor 200mm F4
Carl Zeiss Sonnar 135mm F2,8 [for sale], Vario-Sonnar 80-200mm F4 T* (C/Y) with Leitax for Nikon-F
Minolta MD-Rokkors: 28mm F2,8, 45mm F2
M42 Lenses: Mamiya/Sekor SX 21mm F4, SX 28mm F2,8, SX 55mm F1,8, SX 135mm F2,8, 400mm F6,3 [for sale], Asahi-Pentax Super-Tak. 28mm F3,5 and 55mm F1,8, CZJ Tessar 50mm F2,8, Vivitar 135mm F2,8
Mamiya 645 Lenses: Mamiya Sekor C 80mm F2,8 N, 300mm F5,6, 105-210mm F4,5 ULD [for sale] |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
105 kiron-made f/2.5 no slouch either, but HEAVY. _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
105 kiron-made f/2.5 no slouch either, but HEAVY. |
Yeah I am lucky to have this one (Vivitar branded, but serial no. indicate it is a Kiron made lens), but unfortunately in FD mount. I wanted to use the 105mm Nikkor on naturaliy on my Nikon (D2H) camera.
The Kiron macro lens is very slow to focus. |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:43 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
stingOM wrote: |
The Kiron macro lens is very slow to focus. |
Yes, but super precise, which does not hurt in the tight DOFs that will bring out the bokeh.
We all know it is crazy sharp macro, but it seems like the sharpest telephoto I have as well---hanging right with the tokina 90mm and a very tight 135mm soligar f/2 (which also surprises me and, as learned here, has the tightest DOF wide open of any lens I own)
The samyang 85mm is something that really interests me also, because of it's terrific speed and reputed IQ. _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:19 am Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
uhoh7 wrote: |
stingOM wrote: |
The Kiron macro lens is very slow to focus. |
Yes, but super precise, which does not hurt in the tight DOFs that will bring out the bokeh.
We all know it is crazy sharp macro, but it seems like the sharpest telephoto I have as well---hanging right with the tokina 90mm and a very tight 135mm soligar f/2 (which also surprises me and, as learned here, has the tightest DOF wide open of any lens I own)
The samyang 85mm is something that really interests me also, because of it's terrific speed and reputed IQ. |
Hi,
Do you have a couple of photos (wide open shots ) taken with this moster Soligor lens? How does it compare with the 135mm f1.8? |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
stingOM wrote: |
Hi,
Do you have a couple of photos (wide open shots ) taken with this moster Soligor lens? How does it compare with the 135mm f1.8? |
Here it is handheld iso 200 1/320 at f/2 DOF quite tight (very overcast flat light) no PP Sony APS-C
Sharpness--same settings no PP
bigger:
http://g4.img-dpreview.com/CC87218A0BAD4ED3A93C3EF3AEFE331A.jpg
100%
action:
bigger
http://g1.img-dpreview.com/72CF623931D2467F805C9404F43E923C.jpg
I'm thinking of trying some brenizer shots with it.
I have heard some copies of this lens were labeled 1.8, but some say there is a distinct Soligar 135mm f/1.8---I cannot find any pics of it--they may be refrering to a spiratone rebranded as soligar----not sure but there are some guys around here who REALLY know the soligors
oh wait...here is the 1.8
and here is my f/2: seems much newer
bigger view:
http://g1.img-dpreview.com/F65CB52F279049EFA2D844382483C0CE.jpg
It's turned to winter here fast and have not had a chance to really try it out, but it does seem pretty sharp.
It is one hunk of metal with sweet focus and unusual large easy clicking aperture ring--really nice to to stop on the fly.
bigger:
http://g2.img-dpreview.com/B97A81D31CBB4B70BF6F2D8ACD73C9C3.jpg
Won auction at 151.40 USD _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:11 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
If you do a search here on the Samyang 85/1.4, you'll find a bunch of threads with pics. It really is a sweet lens. I want to get one in Nikon mount.
I own a Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 -- and a Vivitar (Kiron) 105mm f/2.5 as well. I consider each lens (including the Samyang) to be different and it has never really occurred to me that I might want to compare one of my 105s with a fast 85mm. To me, the primary reason for a fast 85 is to be able to take advantage of a very thin depth of field and to blow out the background. In contrast, my 105 Nikkor is a portrait lens first and my Vivitar macro is a macro lens first. _________________ Michael
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scsambrook
Joined: 29 Mar 2009 Posts: 2167 Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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scsambrook wrote:
I've never even handled the Samyang, so can't make any comment on it. But I have owned two different versions of the 105/2.5 Nikkor - the original version and a later AI one which was physically a much larger lens. On film the degree of "out of focus-ness" was pretty much the same at f2.5 as the my 90mm Summicron RF lens at f2, so I guess the same would apply to the Samyang. But of course I can't say how the "out-of-focus-ness" might differ between them. The Summicron's out-of-focus image was "smoother" than either of the Nikons, but that's just a comparative observation. Seen in isolation, they all looked/look pretty good to me.
Depth of field tables will tell you just how much or how little zone of sharpness to expect from either of the lenses. It won't be much different at full aperture. _________________ Stephen
Equipment: Pentax DSLR for casual shooting, Lumix G1 and Fuji XE-1 for playing with old lenses, and Leica M8 because I still like the optical rangefinder system. |
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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AhamB wrote:
I would say: make your decision based on the focal length you prefer. 85 is a bit wider, which can be nice.
The bokeh of the Samyang/Rokinon is best in class and the wide open sharpness is excellent. At f/1.4 the Samyang will have better subject isolation (a better word for "out-of-focusness").
From what I have heard, the Nikkor is also very good at infinity, where the Samyang may be not so special. Furthermore, the build quality of the Nikkor will be substantially better (esp. durability). |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
this guy got a good deal:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Opteka-85mm-f1-4-Lens-Manual-Focus-Samyang-Rokinon-/280602787880?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item41553ac028 _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Wow! Wish I would have seen that one. I notice also that prices have come down in general on this lens -- roughly by $100. Nice. I can almost afford one now. _________________ Michael
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