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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: Contax Planar sharpness |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I did some resolution tests yesterday with the Canon 50/1.8 II and the CZ Planar 50/1.4 and 50/1.7. Was surprised that the Canon blew them both away in the corners at all apertures up to f8. The Contax lenses were much sharper in the middle.
Does anyone know if the Planar design is sharper when focused at longer distances and is just a bit poor for close ups (1m or so)? Or do I have two duff lenses?! My 85/2.8 was also poor in the corners close up.
Thanks _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I think Canon was designed for this kind of test, Planar for photography forget this test _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3242 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
Attila wrote: |
I think Canon was designed for this kind of test, Planar for photography forget this test |
Well said. _________________ Moderator Himself |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Ha! As an update, I stopped being lazy and did an infinity shot and the CZ is a LOT sharper in the corners at that sort of distance. It makes me wonder how people come to these resolution scores though!
Right, off to so do some Christmas shopping! _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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symphonic
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 550 Location: SE Europe, Croatia
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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symphonic wrote:
I actually had a similar experience when I tested my three 50s (EF 50/1.8 II, Pancolar 1.8 and Planar 1.4). The Canon is surprisingly good in every test I made including one to infinity. But, in the end I always grab the Planar with me, it's always the results I get with it that separate it from the others, not 100% crop tests. _________________ Toni,
EOS 450D
CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 MC | Pancolar 50/1.8 MC
Contax Planar 50/1.4 AEJ | Contax Sonnar 135/2.8 AEJ
Yashica ML 28/2.8 | Zuiko 28/3.5
Vivitar Series1 105/2.5 OM
AF: Tokina 12-24 |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Attila wrote: |
I think Canon was designed for this kind of test, Planar for photography forget this test |
_________________ T* |
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
They are all basically the same optical scheme... Double Guass as most fast 50's are as well.
The glass/build quality and coatings are pretty much all that separates one 50 from another.
I have a canon ef 5o with metal mount.It is my only AF lens besides the one in my Contax T2 (thanks again Rolf ).
The lens is lightweight and surprisingly good. No shame in shooting it.
They don't call them plastic fantastic for nothing. Now if only it had the same image "Character" as the Planar 1.4 |
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jjphoto
Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Posts: 410
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Contax Planar sharpness |
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jjphoto wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I did some resolution tests yesterday with the Canon 50/1.8 II and the CZ Planar 50/1.4 and 50/1.7. Was surprised that the Canon blew them both away in the corners at all apertures up to f8. The Contax lenses were much sharper in the middle.
Does anyone know if the Planar design is sharper when focused at longer distances and is just a bit poor for close ups (1m or so)? Or do I have two duff lenses?! My 85/2.8 was also poor in the corners close up.
Thanks |
I'm not saying your tests were poor or faulty but you need to be very careful when testing.
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AhamB
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 733 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: Contax Planar sharpness |
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AhamB wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
Does anyone know if the Planar design is sharper when focused at longer distances and is just a bit poor for close ups (1m or so)? Or do I have two duff lenses?! My 85/2.8 was also poor in the corners close up. |
(Most?) Planars are optimized for infinity. The 50 and 85 definitely are. Your test results are not surprising. They will be same if you compare your Planar to any Pentax 50/1.4. |
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rbelyell
Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4269 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
graham, if youre off xmas shopping, let me suggest picking up the planat T 85/1.4. i just got one (for a great price i might add) and it confirmed my observations on this site that it is quite possibly the best portrait lens ever! i may never take it off my 5d. forget thet tests; enjoy the pop! _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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take me as i come 'cause i can't stay long' |
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
A lot of excelent taker lense, aren't very good in test. The classic examples are the Leica M lenses.
Not very good in pl/mm tests, but great IQ.
Of course all of them at F/4-5,6 are great in pl/mm too.
Time ago, I saw some pics taken by Orio with an old sonnar 1,5/50. The resolution power was low, sure, but the IQ was great, one of the best that I saw in my taste. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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hexi
Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Contax Planar sharpness |
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hexi wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
I did some resolution tests |
Wrong at the start. You should have done photos
Planars are very good, i've never been disseapointed by sharpness, or anything else ( oh maybe the price ) _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonnar85 |
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goombles
Joined: 08 Apr 2010 Posts: 136 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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goombles wrote:
I guess your tests are legit as this person discovered the same: http://www.16-9.net/lens_tests/zeiss_85mm/zeiss85mm_3.html _________________
Cameras: Canon 7D, Olympus OM-2n, Spotmatic SPII
M42: Sonnar 135/3.5, Flektogon 35/2.4, SMC Takumar 50/1.4, SMC Takumar 55/1.8, SMC Takumar 35/3.5
Tamron: SP 90/2.5 Macro |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Hehe thanks for all the responses! I would never consider changing it as my standard lens, I was just surprised by the test results (which were done in a controlled environment e.g. same tripod, shooting straight on at a flat surface using liveview). The Planar had CA in the sides and poor corners at 1m or so.
But I just love it's character and pop! And at greater distances it is sharp across the frame and better than the Canon
One thing I found really interesting...the corners were worse on a crop sensor 1000D than with a full frame 5D!
No more test cards for me _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Joosep
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 305 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Joosep wrote:
This should be why:
Close focus = Macro or portrait, you dont need the corners.
Close to infinity or infinity = You need the everything.
I think CZ designed theyr lenses for these simple reasons.
Now the new lenses...
Close focus = MTF tests, the better the lens, more people will buy it.
Infinity = Noone tests it, who cares ? _________________ The future is analogue.
23 cameras, 25 lenses and counting. |
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Keysersoze27
Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 466 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Keysersoze27 wrote:
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www.16-9.net
....I can't rule out an adapter problem, but if the adapter is to blame, then it's not going to excel on Canon bodies.... |
Another ZF adapted on EOS review.. _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii
28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtl�nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964) |
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keyser1884
Joined: 05 Dec 2010 Posts: 14
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 6:41 am Post subject: |
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keyser1884 wrote:
In my experience, the Canon is not a lens to be underestimated. It's not my go-to mens despite it being an autofocus lens (OK, not a surprise on this forum).
I would describe that the lens as being uncorrected. It trades its high of perfect rendering when it's spot on for utter utter dismal rendering when the conditions are off. |
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