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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:59 am    Post subject: Goldtop Reply with quote

You would not know from the B+W but both the Guitar and guitarist are goldtops. Both Originals as well not re-issues.
This one is from a Yashica Electro GSN and Tmax400 shot at 400 and developed normally in tmax developer.
Yeah, it's dirty and was a poor scan. The image is very expressive and sometimes content counts more than technical perfection. Wink



PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Goldtop Reply with quote

F16SUNSHINE wrote:
You would not know from the B+W but both the Guitar and guitarist are goldtops. Both Originals as well not re-issues.
This one is from a Yashica Electro GSN and Tmax400 shot at 400 and developed normally in tmax developer.
Yeah, it's dirty and was a poor scan. The image is very expressive and sometimes content counts more than technical perfection. Wink


I agree about the expression trumping technical perfection, absolutely. I like your photo and the sort of grittiness it portrays. I can almost feel the sweat. Cuz I've been there.

But as a point of accuracy, I must offer this correction. I'm sure the guy isn't a re-issue, but the guitar is. I'm a guitarist and I remember when Gibson came out with that guitar. Yes, it's a "Gold-top," but it is not the original gold top, which came with the P90 "soap bar" single-coil pickups. I owned a '68 Les Paul Custom that I bought new and played in a band back then with another guitarist who had an original gold top Les Paul with the P90s, which was built in the 1950s. The one shown in your photo was introduced in 1969 and instead of the P90 soap bars, Gibson designed their "mini humbuckers" that would fit into the same size hole as the original soap bars. I've always been a big fan of the original P90s and have never cared much for the looks or the sound of the mini humbuckers. But the guitar in the photo ended up being very popular, and Gibson sold many thousands of them.

Here's a quote for ya I found:

"The guitar design department at Gibson gave a change of style and name to the recently re-introduced Les Paul gold-top model in 1969, when the Les Paul Deluxe took its place. The Deluxe was the first 'new' Les Paul model for 14 years, and was prompted by calls for a gold-top with humbucking pickups rather than the single-coil P-90s of the existing reissue model. Gibson ended up using small Epiphone humbuckers for the Les Paul Deluxe model...At first the Deluxe was only available with a gold top, but gradually sunbursts and other colors were introduced, and it lasted in production until the mid 1980s" (Tony Bacon, Electric Guitars: The Illustrated Encyclopedia, pp. 145-146).

Here's a pic I found on the net of a 1953 gold top with the P90 single-coil pickups:



The above pic came from this site:

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/lpgold0.html

There's a link at that site that your friend can use to look up the serial number of his guitar and find out exactly when it was made.

Don't mean to be baggin' on ya, but just so's ya know, cuz hey I was there when it was happening.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for stopping in Mike.
My re-issue comment was just to be colorful not provided for any historical information.
Certainly I'm no guitar expert such as yourself.
KSK is I'm sure fully aware of his guitars status.
This one is in fact a '71 and has been in the hands of a couple of greats including the one in the picture Cool The "Bigbird" opens it up!


PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great stuff, Andy, both the photo and the stories. i've seen a few of these
in operation and knew about Gibson/Les Paul being at to top of the heap,
great sound.

Michael's tidbits were savory, too. Let's see some frying pan Rickenbackers
to fill out the set! Laughing


PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh! Cool Roger McGuinn with his 12-string Rickie when he was in the Byrds was the Man back when I was a kid just learning how to play.

Can't leave out the other biggie either: the Fender Stratocaster. It came on the scene just about the same time as the Gibson Les Paul and is the "other" enduring heavyweight of the guitar world.

I've owned many guitars, including a couple of Les Pauls and a few Strats. Actually one of my least favorites to play was the '68 Les Paul Custom. Back then its other nickname was the Fretless Wonder because the frets had been filed almost flat from the factory. This might have been the way Les Paul preferred the fingerboard to be, but for me it made things very difficult. I developed a soloing style that involved a lot of string bending, and trying to bend strings with very low frets is hard! So, I came to hate that thing's playability and after four years of ownership, I traded a guy straight across for an SG plus $100. The SG was so much easier to play and, to me, sounded just as good.

The Gold top in the photo didn't have that problem. It was just the LP Customs, and even after a few years Gibson began offering them with standard frets and a few years later with jumbo frets. To me, the LP Custom with Jumbo frets is still one of the most desirable solid body electrics Gibson has ever made. And just in case you're wondering what a Les Paul Custom looks like, here ya go (found this pic on a Swedish website -- a '69 model):





PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael, how does Taylor Guitars fit in the line-up? I know their acoustic
guitars are decent, wondering about their electrics.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh, I haven't a clue. I've never heard one, never played one. Taylor builds a good acoustic guitar, and building a solid-body electric is about as hard as falling off a log by comparison. The semi-hollow-body electrics can be trickier, but in these days of CNC-processes, it shouldn't be too difficult even to put together good semis. So their electrics should be good, I would think.

There's a lot of nuance and tactile impressions involved with a guitar, though, and sometimes all these things come together just right, and other times they don't, even though there might not be anything one can point to analytically that will reveal these attractions -- or lack of them. So it's impossible for me to pass judgement on a guitar until I've played it for a while, and played it through an amp (in the case of electrics) that allows me to get the sorts of tone curves I like.