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revers
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 Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: Disappointed in image quality. |
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I got a Kalimar 35-70/3.5 just prior to going on vacation & ended up using it most of the time because the focal range seemed right most of the time. However when we got home I was disappointed with the image quality when viewed on the computer. I decided that I would like a similar lens with better IQ & had a look on the net to see what I could find. I discovered a camera shop in Toronto selling off new old stock that had been purchased from another store closing up & I made the trip to check it out. I took my camera & the Kalimar lens with me so I could do comparative shots.
I tested the Kalimar against a Vivitar 28-85/3.5-4.5 & a Soligor 35-70/3.5-4.5, shooting all three @ 70mm FL & f3.5 (wide open).
1. Kalimar
2. Vivitar
3. Soligor
I was expecting the Vivitar to be best but it had poorer IQ than the Kalimar. I bought the Soligor, new in box for $23. 
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Disappointed in image quality. |
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Nordentro wrote:
| revers wrote: |
I got a Kalimar 35-70/3.5 just prior to going on vacation & ended up using it most of the time because the focal range seemed right most of the time. However when we got home I was disappointed with the image quality when viewed on the computer. I decided that I would like a similar lens with better IQ & had a look on the net to see what I could find. I discovered a camera shop in Toronto selling off new old stock that had been purchased from another store closing up & I made the trip to check it out. I took my camera & the Kalimar lens with me so I could do comparative shots.
I tested the Kalimar against a Vivitar 28-85/3.5-4.5 & a Soligor 35-70/3.5-4.5, shooting all three @ 70mm FL & f3.5 (wide open).
I was expecting the Vivitar to be best but it had poorer IQ than the Kalimar. I bought the Soligor, new in box for $23. |
Nice, Soligors are often under rated, I also find many of my Soligors to be very good 
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themoleman342
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
Wow, the soligor really pops. Typically I've found that the shorter range zooms or 'framing' zooms as some like to call them are actually very good performers. I imagine it is easier to optimize image quality for these, from an engineering standpoint. |
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
Well my Viv 28-85 is very good at close up:-
400 asa film Viv 28-85mm
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Nesster
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
I think in good part we're looking at low cost manufacturing resulting in a greater sample to sample variation vs. the high cost outfits.
You found a good Soligor, in an alternate universe the Viv may have been the better lens.
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walter g
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
Revers can you post a side and top view of the Soligor. One showing the serial number. So we no which version to look for.
I still need that focal length, and I want to get a good one.
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Excalibur
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
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I think in good part we're looking at low cost manufacturing resulting in a greater sample to sample variation vs. the high cost outfits.
You found a good Soligor, in an alternate universe the Viv may have been the better lens. |
My vivitar 28-85 was a pleasant surprise as it was made by Kobori "77" which was supposed to be inferior to Kiron etc
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aoleg
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aoleg wrote:
Hmm... If you want a really nice bargain 35-70 lens, try Olympus Zuiko 35-70/3.6. It's very, very good, and can be had inexpensively. It's a parfocal design, too, meaning the focus point stays throughout the zoom range. Not quite as contrasty as the Contax Vario-Sonnar 35-70/3.4, but costs 1/3 the price of said Zeiss.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: As requested by Walter |
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revers wrote:
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I took this close-up with it today.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
This Soligor is a very good surprise !
Old MF zooms are not all bad !
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a20010494
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: As requested by Walter |
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a20010494 wrote:
Looks a bit like Leica!
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I took this close-up with it today.
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I'm surprised at how good the Soligor is and how bad the Vivitar is.
Bad copy on the latter maybe?
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walter g
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walter g wrote:
Revers, Thank You. This is the missing code 5 lens I have been looking for.
Now I just need to figure out the maker, so I can add it to the Soligor Identification chart. 
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| Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Disappointed in image quality. |
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LucisPictor wrote:
| Nordentro wrote: |
| Nice, Soligors are often under rated, I also find many of my Soligors to be very good |
+ 100% !!
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Laurentiu Cristofor wrote:
My experience with Vivitar zooms is underwhelming. I am much more impressed with Tamron adaptall lenses. This Soligor looks like a very nice find.
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caspert79 wrote:
Hmmm, performance of that Vivitar sucks. Sure there's no haze or fungus on the glass? I love a lot of Vivitar primes, but I've got mixed experiences with Vivitar zoomlenses. Anyway, yesterday I've won a Vivitar 70-150/3.8 on Ebay, which supposedly is pretty good. |
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PBFACTS
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PBFACTS wrote:
| aoleg wrote: |
| Hmm... If you want a really nice bargain 35-70 lens, try Olympus Zuiko 35-70/3.6. It's very, very good, and can be had inexpensively. It's a parfocal design, too, meaning the focus point stays throughout the zoom range. Not quite as contrasty as the Contax Vario-Sonnar 35-70/3.4, but costs 1/3 the price of said Zeiss. |
If you want a top quality 35/70 at minimal price, look at the vivitar 35/70 3.5 one touch (made by komine 28xxx)
I made in 1985/1986 a comparative test of both viv 35/70 3.5 - constant aperture - and Zuiko 35/70 3.6
Quality is SAME except on 35mm full aperture where zuiko is better
At all other focals/aperture combinaisons, quality is same
http://www.carmarthencameras.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/IMG_123411695.JPG
| revers wrote: |
I tested the Kalimar against a Vivitar 28-85/3.5-4.5 & a Soligor 35-70/3.5-4.5, shooting all three @ 70mm FL & f3.5 (wide open).
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Which vivitar 28/85 3.5/4.5 (the kobori version 77xx ??) and which soligor 35/70 3.5/4.5 (sun ,samyang ... ??)
ps : do not forget that 99% of 28/85 are lower quality than 35/70
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+Tokina 150/500 5.6
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+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
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+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
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revers
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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revers wrote:
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| Which vivitar 28/85 3.5/4.5 (the kobori version 77xx ??) and which soligor 35/70 3.5/4.5 (sun ,samyang ... ??) |
I do not know which Viv it was but it was new in box. The Soligor SN 59***** in PK mount is made in Korea according to the box but no origin on the lens.
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PBFACTS
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PBFACTS wrote:
| revers wrote: |
| The Soligor SN 59***** in PK mount is made in Korea according to the box but no origin on the lens. |
Samyang made = Usually medium quality but Some very good lens in the range.
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Om2 sp + T32 (grip/filter/zoom) + T8
+ Zuiko 16mm 3.5 / 55mm 1.2 / 65-200 4/ x1.4
+ Sigma 8mm 4.0 / 14mm 3.5 / 18-35 3.5-4.5
+ Tamron 35/105 2.8
+Tokina 150/500 5.6
+ Kiron 105/2.8 macro 1:1
+ Vivitar S1 90/180 falst field macro
+ 2x Doubler HR7
>>I SELL: OM10 + OM4ti
+ i sell: OM Md1 + Md 2 + Grip PowerPack + charger
+ i sell: OM Zuiko 24mm 2.8 / 28mm 3.5 / 50mm 1.8 / 50mm 1.4 / 50mm 3.5 macro / 35-70 3.6 / 35-105 3.5-4.5 / 75-150 4 / 500mm / 2xA
+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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