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pst
Joined: 25 Aug 2010 Posts: 108 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: analyse THIS! Flare testing the MIR-20M |
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pst wrote:
Hi!
This afternoon I finally took my "new" Mir-20 for a stroll. Since wide angles catch lot of stray light from everywhere I tested it for flaring.
I caught some nice shots, but found a nasty feature of this lens.
Flare must not be bad. I like this shot: [all EOS 5D]
But what really got me is the following:
See the lower right corner?
It only shows up at a very specific angle of sun relative to the lens and changes color nicely:
Up close:
But what gets me are the stripes and the circular imperfections. What could that be? Dust? Or wavelength imperfections of the glass??? The spots seem to stay in the same position in the picture.
Any opinions? _________________ Regards, Patrick. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
The spots are dust particles on lens elements.
The stripes are some optical effect, I just cannot remember the term now. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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marty
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 767 Location: Italy
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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marty wrote:
It's diffraction, occurs when a light beam hits an obstacle (in this case the iris). The smaller is the aperture the worst is the effect. The hexagon itself is a reflection of the iris on glass surfaces. A hood should tame the problem.
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ylyad
Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 476 Location: Zentralschweiz
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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ylyad wrote:
I'd say it's a reflection of the sensor (hexagonal because of the iris), and the dust elements can come from the sensor itself. _________________
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
ylyad wrote: |
I'd say it's a reflection of the sensor (hexagonal because of the iris), and the dust elements can come from the sensor itself. |
+1
The spots are dust on the sensor. If you really want a shock, try making a pinhole camera from a body cap and see how dirty your sensor really is |
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pst
Joined: 25 Aug 2010 Posts: 108 Location: Austria
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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pst wrote:
I knew where the hexagonal comes from
@ylyad and martyn_b: You are totally right!
The spots ARE dust spots an the sensor! I took a blank shot with my 50mm stopped down all the way and compared the spots! They match 100%, Yeah and the 5D likes to collect dust
This is so cool! You can actually see how the light bends around the dust on the sensor!!!!
The larger, not so clear spots must be from dust on lens elements.
The lines parallel to the iris edges are diffraction from the iris (I conclude this from reading wikipedia )
But what is the explanation for all the other parallel lines?
And the reflection itself: Thinking about it, it really must be a reflection off the sensor, because looking at it's shape, it has past the iris.
This is so cool, pixel peeping at it's best. _________________ Regards, Patrick. |
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egidio
Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 222 Location: slovenia
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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egidio wrote:
thats a nice looking flare _________________ I use: Flektogon 2.8/20, Flektogon 2.8/35, planar 50mm/1.4, Takumar 1.4/50mm, Takumar 1.9/85, MIR 24H, Mir1v, Industar-50-2, Helios-44-2, Pentacon 2.8/135, cyclop 85 1.5 |
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martyn_bannister
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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martyn_bannister wrote:
egidio wrote: |
thats a nice looking flare |
+1 on that - this is one time when flare looks gorgeous |
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William
Joined: 26 Nov 2009 Posts: 489 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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William wrote:
Quite like the Mir 1-B flare, seems both are very flare prone lenses. You have used it quite a bit more effectively than me:
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aoleg
Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1387 Location: Berlin, DE
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:57 am Post subject: |
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aoleg wrote:
marty wrote: |
A hood should tame the problem.
Cheers, M. |
Mir-20M has a very obscure design that does not really permit using a hood, unless one is willing to do some serious DIY.
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
That flare is very good compared to my Viv 19mm. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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soikka
Joined: 11 Jun 2008 Posts: 534 Location: Finland
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:48 am Post subject: |
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soikka wrote:
Just love the first shot.
I'm not used to using flare in my shots as I'm using mainly SMC-Pentax lenses .
Sigma 24/2.8 or Rikenon XR 35-70/3.5 might be the worst flare generators in y humble collection, but the flare with those lenses usually ruins the whole shot with lack of contrast in the whole image area. Have you PP'd the first image much? _________________ DSLR: K-5,K20d+Grip, Ist*Ds
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pst
Joined: 25 Aug 2010 Posts: 108 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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pst wrote:
The Mir-20M does not seem to have to much coating, certainly not Super-Multi-Coated
All shown pics are simply converted RAWs in LR. No pp.
@aoleg: The engineers where thinking: "Why would you wan't to use a hood, when it flares so nicely?" _________________ Regards, Patrick. |
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pst
Joined: 25 Aug 2010 Posts: 108 Location: Austria
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Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: |
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pst wrote:
That's what mine looks like. No "MC" writing and certainly no hood!
_________________ Regards, Patrick. |
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