Pancolar or Chinon, which one ? Help!

[Stitch]

So Aloha everyone.
Sadly I'm starting my career on this site with question not with responds but It's quite "emegrency" call xD

So, I've kept some money and I decided to buy a new mf lens Coz there is nothing more entertaining than testing new lenses xD
I was biding on Yashinon DX 50/1.4 but I lost auction so I looked from something else.

www.allegro.pl/obiektyw-chinon-auto-55mm-f-1-7-50-m42-i1263180713.html

www.allegro.pl/ob-pankolar-1-8-50-elektrik-mc-i1267414649.html


Those two ones, I don't know which one choose. Chinon is brighter but I'm afraid a bit of sharpness/overall quiality coz I haven't found 50/1,7 which was looking like that one.
And Zeiss is not a regular version If I remember well what I read somewhere at this forum it was made by some other brand which name I can't remember

Anyway, So which one do you think will be better choice ?


ps. Soon I'll post more useful topics (I hope useful xD)

[estudleon]

If you find a pancolar not yellowed, ut's the better option for me. If the lens is yellowed, look for one taht hasn't that cast.

The pancolar is, in my opinion, one of the best 50 mm lens.

But I think that you have to evaluate too: which focal lenght do you prefer 50 or 55 mm, if you need o want to have the F/1,4 option, if you usually have a lens shade with you, what color rendering do yo like, etc.

My option, like I just said before, is the pancolar with white MC, blue reflections glass, black body and not electric version.

Good luck.

Rino.

[Stitch]

Thanks for reply

Difference between 55 and 50mm is not big deal for me I supose, and light on that value ~1.8 is enought sometimes I'm takin photos at quite shady places and I found that f 2 in my Helios 44M-4 is good (although quite blurry) but it would be nice to have smth brighter.

To the Pancolar: Is there really big difference between that one from the link: black body, red MC and black body with white MC not electric ? Coz prices are like for a half higher on that with white MC... and I don't have much xD

[woodrim]

What is xD?

[AhamB]

I have only one Pancolar and it's the Pancolar auto, white MC. Sharpness at wide apertures is not great and just bad at the edges/corners, at least on my full-frame 5D. I usually stop it down between f/8 and f/11 and then the sharpness is truly formidable. I really like the results I get from it at that setting.

I don't know about differences with red MC and electric versions, but I have seen in some comparisons that the older, single coated versions have better corner sharpness. I wouldn't like to have a yellow colour cast though, but the MC Pancolar that I have doesn't feel 100% neutral either.

[Stitch]

@woodrim
xD is a emoticon like : D but xD is exposing rather laugh than happy (: D)
xD is quite popular emot in Poland thought xD <- U see.

end of offtopic

And thanks AhamB
So I'm quite confused on buying this red MC pancolar :/ I want that pancolar to be sharper wide open than my Helios 44m-4 .. that's my goal.

[estudleon]

The color rendering of the red MC is more warm, not neutral, but if you like it, so it's good for you.

My copies of the pancolar show me different sharpness in similar lenses. So may be bad work of repairman or bad enssambled by particular user.

With my lenses, the 2,8 corners are soft (I don't see any lens that at maximun aperture give me a sharp - but really sharp -, crisp corners). But form F/2,8 are good, and at F/5,6 the centers and corners are excelent, like at F/8 and 11. Get down at F/16.

The zebra version has a scame 6/4, the black is 6/5, in theory, better corners and control of distortions (that in pancolar is excelent). And the zebra has a rear element more prone to yellow cast by radioactivity than the black with white MC letters. The same occurs with the red MC (more prone to yellow cast).

I hope that you have a good purchase.

Rino.

[Attila]

Without any doubt Pancolar.

[spleenone]

There are faster (brighter) lenses than 1.8 ...for instance SMC-Takumar 50/1.4 and sometimes is in affordable price. Then many other and also sharp even wide open.

But although adding vote for mc Pancolar. Sharp glass and crispy bokeh.

[martinsmith99]

For shady places F2 is more than ample. I don't understand needing faster for just shade. Do you mean indoors?

[AhamB]

[Stitch]

@martinsmith99 Yap, at indoors and mostly f 2 is enough but my goal is sharpeness and you know it's always better when you have brighter lens... and when you will close it up you will get shareper pics.. but for what I'm explaining, you know that.

SMC-Takumar 50/1.4 is more expensive than Pancolar... maybe I'll try to hunt some occasions on ebay, but I didn't find anything under 100$ and I need m42.
Anyway I missed that Pancolar auction so I'll have to keep searching.

[estudleon]